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I think you are right...Originally posted by tankee1981:I think the statistics for our SAF company is not complete yet. So if anyone have any more to add please fill free to do so. I am intrested to know exactly what a typical SAF infantry company consists of and subsequently how it works. Thanks
PS: I have heard from my former OC that in the future the infantry will be able to ride in Bronco to battle. These Bronco will be more armoured than the normal transport version and equipped with a GMPG on top of the front driver's cabin. The GPMG gunner presumely the vehicle commander will operate the MG with an open hatch. Can anyone verify this?
It was reported in JDW that Singapore is receiving 500 Broncos of all versions. Thus it is reasonable to expect that a large proportion will comprise of troop carriers with applique armour.
By the way you want to start a thread on our armoured force's composition from platoon to battalion level? I from infantry so not well-versed in armour...
When training FIBUA and FOFO near Sungei Gedong we passed by scores of armoured vehicles and troopers... The similarity between us was that we were all sweaty and tired out. Both sides gave tired grins and shook heads when passed by each other... Haha shacked out man 
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Actually I have speculated abt this almost 2 years ago here when I realised the large number of BV-206 + Bronco ATTC that we are going to have.Originally posted by Delta 5:I think you are right...
It was reported in JDW that Singapore is receiving 500 Broncos of all versions. Thus it is reasonable to expect that a large proportion will comprise of troop carriers with applique armour.
By the way you want to start a thread on our armoured force's composition from platoon to battalion level? I from infantry so not well-versed in armour... When training FIBUA and FOFO near Sungei Gedong we passed by scores of armoured vehicles and troopers... The similarity between us was that we were all sweaty and tired out. Both sides gave tired grins and shook heads when passed by each other... Haha shacked out man
We dun need almost 800 vehicles for just logistic support!!!!
One Bronco could carry 15 men + 1 driver, so 500x 15= 7.5K of soldiers.
One Infantry unit is abt 600men, abt 12.5 Bn ~4 SIBs
I.e able to support to 2 CADs.
So future CADs will be 2 "motorised" infantry Bde with Bronco ATTC and one mechanised infantry Bde. -
omg...Originally posted by Delta 5:3 Platoons = 84 Men!
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Yea yeaOriginally posted by gary1910:Actually I have speculated abt this almost 2 years ago here when I realised the large number of BV-206 + Bronco ATTC that we are going to have.
We dun need almost 800 vehicles for just logistic support!!!!
One Bronco could carry 15 men + 1 driver, so 500x 15= 7.5K of soldiers.
One Infantry unit is abt 600men, abt 12.5 Bn ~4 SIBs
I.e able to support to 2 CADs.
So future CADs will be 2 "motorised" infantry Bde with Bronco ATTC and one mechanised infantry Bde.
1 X Bn wif bronco transporting AI has been tested out le.
They even ORDed !
Most senang armoured Bn maybe -
Well , Bronco ATTC troop carrier version is more like a APC than IFV, so should not be considered for our mechanised forces.
When our infantry units need to be transported to the frontline, we will of course try to keep them as fresh as possible , so Bronco is a good option, it is armoured up to 7.62 and against shell splinter etc.
So when near to the frontline, I think thye will debus and fight like any foot soldier. -
Replacing the V200s in future?Originally posted by I_love_my_toilet:Yea yea
1 X Bn wif bronco transporting AI has been tested out le.
They even ORDed !
Most senang armoured Bn maybe
It would be interesting if they could add the 40mm GL/0.5 Cal combo. The Broncos in APC role could deliver troops to the FUPs and provide supporting fire as well. We did they same thing with V200s. But the V200s were not organic to the battalion - they were from a different unit. The V200s added 2x7.62mm GPMGs and one 20mm cannon in support to each section.
The Broncos have better mobility and is amphibious - the V200 was amphibious a long time ago, but this is no longer practiced I think.
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True true.Originally posted by gary1910:Well , Bronco ATTC troop carrier version is more like a APC than IFV, so should not be considered for our mechanised forces.
When our infantry units need to be transported to the frontline, we will of course try to keep them as fresh as possible , so Bronco is a good option, it is armoured up to 7.62 and against shell splinter etc.
So when near to the frontline, I think thye will debus and fight like any foot soldier.
Bronco juz func like a APC transporting troops.
Another experiment done by the SAF using 1 Bn
Another good things is Bronco is alot more quiet than any Ultras or BX
No ramp up/ down noise...
Maybe the armour scouts are using them ? instead of Ultras -
Yup, I was the pl runner.Originally posted by fudgester:The platoon's radio set is carried by the platoon runner.
Generally, the platoon runner will carry the longer range radioset. This will be tuned into the company net. I will only be talking to the other platoons' PC/runner, platoon support section Cmd and the Company CO/runner.
The Company HQ will have 1 runner with a radioset the company net and a signals-equipped landrover to communicate on the Battalion net and beyond.
Less common depending on the nature of the mission, the PC, Platoon sergeant and other Section commanders can have small handheld sets to talk to each other within a "platoon net". -
Broncos are amphibious, right?
So if we have such a large force of amphibious armoured transports, it can only mean.... -
Well, it makes perfect sense to have good amphibious capability.Originally posted by tvdog:Broncos are amphibious, right?
So if we have such a large force of amphibious armoured transports, it can only mean....
Broncos are indeed amphibious.
So is the Bionix. From what I've read, the Bionix can handle depths of up to 1m unprepared.... with full preparation, it's completely amphibious.
I dunno about the M113 Ultras.... though I won't be surprised if they have the capability as well.
If you're going to take the war to the enemy's shores, you're going to have to do amphibious and airborne assaults. You can't expect our LSTs to carry everything. -
Well, dunno what kind of preparation you need for the Bionix, but the M113 can actually "swim".Originally posted by fudgester:So is the Bionix. From what I've read, the Bionix can handle depths of up to 1m unprepared.... with full preparation, it's completely amphibious.
I dunno about the M113 Ultras.... though I won't be surprised if they have the capability as well.
If you're going to take the war to the enemy's shores, you're going to have to do amphibious and airborne assaults. You can't expect our LSTs to carry everything.
I'm not sure how but the M113 actually floats and can move in water like a boat. But I suppose you still need some kind of ship to transport these vehicles close to shoreline cos they move very slowly in water.
One afternoon I was at Seletar camp by the sea and I watched a group of armour troopers ungoing their version of "watermanship" training in their M113.
First, the M113 swims out to sea about 30m and stops. It is fully-loaded with a section of troopers.
Then the troopers in full helmet, rifle, SBO, they had to gingerly climb up one by one onto the deck of the M113. Wearing a tiny little green life vest that fits around the neck, these poor devils had to go into the sea and swim towards the shore. Some got so scared, cannot move and had to be rescued. -
Sounds like Armour Infantry?Originally posted by gary1910:Well , Bronco ATTC troop carrier version is more like a APC than IFV, so should not be considered for our mechanised forces.
When our infantry units need to be transported to the frontline, we will of course try to keep them as fresh as possible , so Bronco is a good option, it is armoured up to 7.62 and against shell splinter etc.
So when near to the frontline, I think thye will debus and fight like any foot soldier. -
Sounds alike - but there are fundamental differences - with armoured units, the armoured vehicles are part of the unit. But for Infantry and Guards units, the Broncos can be attached to the unit when the mission requires it.Originally posted by 84mmrr:Sounds like Armour Infantry? -
Heard they are acquring the bronco for us (me in a support / log coy) during my last reservist ...so this could be true..
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The Bionix requires a lot of preparations to become amphibious as compared to our older M113 Ultras. The Ultras can swim without much effort. This is one of the reasons why we still bother to upgrade the older M113 to Ultra standards instead of replacing all of them with the newer BX. Anyway is the trial Bn for Bronco-infantry combo 42SAR? 42SAR is the 1st experimental Bn to have all M113 replaced by BX last time.
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The speed of Bronco amazes me! That vehicle is like the Ferrari among all the A vehicles which we have. The high rate of acceleration and short braking distance is the best among all the vehicles we have. It is also very quiet given that it doesn't use metal tracks and so can creep up on enemy at night if driven slowly. It can also swim readily with minimum preparations. Its certainly one of my favourite vehicles in Armour.
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Yes, but you'll see frequently that the Section 2IC is a L/CPL and some of the men are CPLs. Especially in the reserve units where they post people in from all over. Kinda stupid. They should just promote the 2IC to cpl to compensate.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I believe that a CPL in the Section should be 2IC, preferably one of the M203 gunners.Ease of movement in CQB, when u can split it to two fire teams.
Do they still have sharpshooters with the new SAR21 units? Since everyone essentially has a scope. -
There is the special SAR 21 with the 3x sharpshooter scope.Originally posted by insouciant:Yes, but you'll see frequently that the Section 2IC is a L/CPL and some of the men are CPLs. Especially in the reserve units where they post people in from all over. Kinda stupid. They should just promote the 2IC to cpl to compensate.
Do they still have sharpshooters with the new SAR21 units? Since everyone essentially has a scope.
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So are they doing away with the sharpshooter position?