My PT-91M on parade
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It's not possible, coz it is.Originally posted by Delta 5:Yes it is possible as our AMX-13s are equipped with 75mm APFSDS-T rounds claimed to be locally designed and built. (With French/Belgium assistance?)
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Foresight?Originally posted by tankee1981:This only shows the foresight of SAF. The SAF very seldom buy just for the
sack of buying. The things they bought usually fits the whole picture of a potential war-fighting scenario. And they plan well in advance, which can be seen from the consideration of possible future upgrades and technology transfers and supply of spares and ammo even before buying it. However i am not too sure about the AMX-10 vehicles because i think they have made a mistake when buying this. Anyone care to provide more info on this and comments as well?
Maybe in the beginning during the 60's - 70's SAF actually had some foresight regarding its armour force.
But now, 40 years later we still operate the same AMX-13 light tanks that are by now over 50 years old. These tanks were proven to be poor performers in battle 40 years ago by the Israelis who immediately got rid of them all.
Then we bought another obsolete tank, the Tempest.
And then we bought the AMX-10, which apparently turned out to be a very bad choice.
Foresight?
Luckily, locally-made stuff like Bionix and Primus turned out to be nice pieces of work. So we should just carry on developing our own stuff for it seems every time the idiots in SAF make tank-purchase decisions, they will fcuk up. The next tank they buy will probably be another French piece-of-shxt AMX-zero or something. -
Wah man! The way their mobile ADS is presented coupled with that camo really make them looked like those Somali Militiamen on Toyota trucks that you see in 'Black Hawk Down'!Originally posted by gary1910:Currently , their only mobile ADS for their troops is this :
Igla Djigit
and this :
Starburst
Both on 4x4 truck w/o surveillance radar, poor tactical mobility .
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I agree that the SM1 is obsolete but i beg to defer on Tempest. I have personally encountered it during my NSF days. It have been very heavily upgraded from the original Centurion MBT. This can clearly be seen from its exterior. I have also gotten info from a Reservist who is part of the unit using Tempest that the FCS is also upgraded. There are many things which i cannot say here but i assure you that Tempest is still a force to be reckon with despite its apparent old age. The Tempest is in a way similar to the Challenger submarines which we got. The hulls themselves are indeed old but the secret is what exist within those hulls. There is word that the equipment within the hull is almost totally replaced by new ones. They have been proven to be effective as can be seen in the recent excercise with the US carrier.
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oii.... you dying to see MP knocking on your doors isit?Originally posted by tankee1981:I agree that the SM1 is obsolete but i beg to defer on Tempest. I have personally encountered it during my NSF days. It have been very heavily upgraded from the original Centurion MBT. This can clearly be seen from its exterior. I have also gotten info from a Reservist who is part of the unit using Tempest that the FCS is also upgraded. There are many things which i cannot say here but i assure you that Tempest is still a force to be reckon with despite its apparent old age. The Tempest is in a way similar to the Challenger submarines which we got. The hulls themselves are indeed old but the secret is what exist within those hulls. There is word that the equipment within the hull is almost totally replaced by new ones. They have been proven to be effective as can be seen in the recent excercise with the US carrier. -
The reservist also told me that our tempest are armed with 2 iglas and fixed with one more turret like this.
This will be how it looks like from a Malaysia's soldier line of sight. -
I believe it was meant to be a surprise for us, the way we surprised them in our 1969 NDP. but somehow, somebody decided to spill the beans without realising the implication.Originally posted by gary1910:After the parade, it is going back to Poland, delivery only start after end of 2006, another " Malaysia Boleh" wayang show!!!!!
Here are the answers to all your qns, read this:
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So the Boleh man's new toy is still "co-operarted" by foreign talents lah.....hehehehe.
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Dude, the exercise was public domain.Our Challenger surfaced inside the carrier kill zone, making us the only submarine force to have successfully penetrated a USN CBG defenses.Periscope photograph was presented to the CBG Captain by our Chief of Navy.Originally posted by tripwire:oii.... you dying to see MP knocking on your doors isit? -
What is so wrong with the AMX-10s?Originally posted by tvdog:Foresight?
Maybe in the beginning during the 60's - 70's SAF actually had some foresight regarding its armour force.
But now, 40 years later we still operate the same AMX-13 light tanks that are by now over 50 years old. These tanks were proven to be poor performers in battle 40 years ago by the Israelis who immediately got rid of them all.
Then we bought another obsolete tank, the Tempest.
And then we bought the AMX-10, which apparently turned out to be a very bad choice.
Foresight?
Luckily, locally-made stuff like Bionix and Primus turned out to be nice pieces of work. So we should just carry on developing our own stuff for it seems every time the idiots in SAF make tank-purchase decisions, they will fcuk up. The next tank they buy will probably be another French piece-of-shxt AMX-zero or something.
As for the AMX-13 ... what's wrong with our using the AMX-13 for the past 40 years?
The Israelis had to replace their AMX-13 with heavier MBTs because the MBT arms race in their theatre was a lot more dynamic than ours. As for us ... We operated in a relative vacuum as none of our immediate neighbours had the capability to deploy a credible armoured force. Seriously, if my enemy only has rocks to throw at me while I have rifles ... do I even need to bother getting something better.
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You discussed 2 topics in your post, I don't think he's referring to this oneOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Dude, the exercise was public domain.Our Challenger surfaced inside the carrier kill zone, making us the only submarine force to have successfully penetrated a USN CBG defenses.Periscope photograph was presented to the CBG Captain by our Chief of Navy.