What equipment SAF is lacking and should purchase or built?
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great! best part is they come in green anyway. no need to camou them.Originally posted by fudgester:We can have a bunch of Constructicons for combat engineer work.
When things get dicey, they can transform into Devastator.
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and...stargate-SG1Originally posted by seachfun:Very Old US movie Battle star Galatical with surround sound effect. -
Originally posted by Delta 5:
How effective of Patriot anti missisles sys:
1. Area Defence SAMs such as the Russian SA-10/SA-12 or American
MIM-104 Patriot (4 batteries of 6 launch vehicles each)Partiot was .....in fact meaningless
by Israel Defense Minister Moshe Arens.p 150 in
‘’The Nature of Furure Conflict’’ by Richard Connanghton.
2.Any UK or US report of accuracy of weapons in two Gulf wars?
Oh I got this fr
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/paper53.htmby
Commonwealth of Australia 1995The second is from an Iraqi general reflecting morosely on the war:
''During the Iran war, my tank was my friend because I could sleep in it and know I was safe ... During this war(1990 Gulf war) my tank became my enemy ... none of my troops would get near a tank at night because they just kept blowing up.''
These exchanges illustrate another aspect of precision air war, particularly as it applies to the direct attack of enemy forces: What can be identified can be targeted so precisely that unnecessary casualties are not inflicted upon an opponent. In short, war, the great waster of human life, is now significantly more humane. Increasingly, war is more about destroying or
incapacitating things as opposed to people. It is now about pursuing an effects-based strategy, rather than an annihilation-based strategy,
a strategy that one can control an opponent without having to destroy him.Combined statistics of American and NATO experience indicate that the average number of precision weapons per designated mean point of impact (DMPI) destroyed was 2.8. In contrast, the average number of ‘dumb’ general purpose bombs per DMPI destroyed was 6.6. The average number of attack sorties per DMPI destroyed was 1.5.
Precision Attack versus Light InfantryA scenario bythe RAND Corporation
My God!This is exactly what 3G SAF is looking for!
details one possible mission against guerrillas moving heavy weapons by vehicle where many of these detection technologies might synergistically come into play:
'The JSTARS crew are directed to look for vehicle traffic along several roads. During its mission, the JSTARSÂ’ Moving Target Indicator radar detects suspicious vehicle traffic in the area of concern. This information is used to cue a UAV [Unmanned Air Vehicle] equipped with a FolPen [foliage-penetrating] radar and EO/IR [electro- optical/infrared] sensors. The UAV - using its thermal imager - detects and follows several trucks that appear to be carrying weapons. The trucks disappear into a wooded area. The UAV then uses its FolPen radar to follow the vehicles down the hidden road to an assembly area. Ground sensors are then dropped. Using acoustic and thermal imagers, remote operators are able to identify the personnel and vehicles as hostile. Tactical air (TACAIR) is called in to destroy the site.''In the Gulf War, for example, the total cost of the approximately 2,000 tons of laser-guided bombs dropped by the F-117A force was roughly $146 million; that same tonnage in Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missiles would have been $4.8 billion.
Click the end of sentence in orginial to see any note u can refer to in the end of paper.
So,the more precisive the weapons,the more humane!? -
man i gotta agree that the Sm-1 Amx 13 tanks used by s'pore are blo*dy old and for one thing the look ugly and they're only 105mm???? man they're old too, anyways we should get some new MBTS's and also more heli gunships
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as a logistician, i must say we need new armoured 5 tonners that are
1. capable of withstanding small arms up to 7.62mm
2. built in communication and datalink capabilities
also, we need more protection for logisticans.maybe something like armoured Landrover Defenders with mounted MG or chain guns
i know most of us here only want the powerful assault hardware but without logistics support, we wont even have 5.56mm to play with and remember jessica lynch? -
75, not 105.Originally posted by wonderamazement:man i gotta agree that the Sm-1 Amx 13 tanks used by s'pore are blo*dy old and for one thing the look ugly and they're only 105mm???? man they're old too, anyways we should get some new MBTS's and also more heli gunships -
i think the turret will crack if u put a 105mm.
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Not only won't crack, tank no power to move, need bigger engine, bigger engine mean need bigger tank, bigger tank means heavier tank, heavier tank means go lck area only sink into the ground.Originally posted by Shotgun:i think the turret will crack if u put a 105mm. -
read from somewhere on the net that said it's 105mm i'll go find the link wait a moment.....hey since it's 75mm....isn't that the same as a Sherman Tank???Originally posted by ditzy:75, not 105. 
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Its the other one lah, the one can swim one lah, and don't look that ugly one lah.Originally posted by wonderamazement:read from somewhere on the net that said it's 105mm i'll go find the link wait a moment..... -
Yup the AMX-13s use 75mm guns. The tanks in SAF service that use 105mm guns are upgraded Centurion Mk 5s, of which 80-100 are in service.Originally posted by ditzy:75, not 105. -
so they're in service the nthe NDP never parade them leh like so secret like that...Originally posted by Delta 5:Yup the AMX-13s use 75mm guns. The tanks in SAF service that use 105mm guns are upgraded Centurion Mk 5s, of which 80-100 are in service. -
SAF should buy robots to replace butt party sai kang labourers in the unit of SSC.
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I tot that is what Bronco are for?!?Originally posted by superworm99:as a logistician, i must say we need new armoured 5 tonners that are
1. capable of withstanding small arms up to 7.62mm
2. built in communication and datalink capabilities
also, we need more protection for logisticans.maybe something like armoured Landrover Defenders with mounted MG or chain guns
i know most of us here only want the powerful assault hardware but without logistics support, we wont even have 5.56mm to play with and remember jessica lynch?
Tactically mobile and armoured up to 7.62mm. -
If you ask me frankly, I dunno what the broncos are for either.Originally posted by gary1910:I tot that is what Bronco are for?!?
Tactically mobile and armoured up to 7.62mm. -
To boldly go where no tonner has gone before!
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nopeOriginally posted by gary1910:I tot that is what Bronco are for?!?
Tactically mobile and armoured up to 7.62mm.
bronco not with the logistics units. we still using 5 tonners, flatbeds for transporting cargo and soldiers up north for fighting. i believe Bronco serves with trhe mechanised armour units. -
The Bronco ATTC comes in many versions... i.e. troop transport, resupply, ammunition carrier, ambulance, radar carrier... In this respect it can be regarded as the workhorse of the SAF ground units, the equal of the Russian MTLB which is also used for a wide variety of roles. However, the Bronco is articulated while the MTLB uses a conventional tracked AFV layout.
It is definately not a replacement for the various army trucks in service, but to supplement the mechanised infantry units. According to Jane's defence Weekly as many as 500 Broncos may be built by 2008. -
42sar got to try out troop movement using the broncos but stopped after majority of its personnel orded and the unit went to lull.
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These "robots" or "Transformer" jokes are kinda old, stale and so done-to-death already.Originally posted by Gordonator:great! best part is they come in green anyway. no need to camou them.
If you lot think you have a sense of humour please come up with something new.
Sorry, but the truth hurts... -
Killer trout?Originally posted by tvdog:These "robots" or "Transformer" jokes are kinda old, stale and so done-to-death already.
If you lot think you have a sense of humour please come up with something new.
Sorry, but the truth hurts... -
Inch for inch, Singapore is easily the most heavily defended place on planet earth.
Don't you agree?
Maybe even the Korean peninsula DMZ is not as heavily defended - and they're technically still at war.
So it is really hard to say what else we still need. But I would really love to see us have some decent tanks.
One can argue forever how useful little tanks are for Singapore etc etc.
But once the little tank meets the big tank all those arguments go out the window. -
Yeah Killer Trout is a start...Originally posted by LazerLordz:Killer trout? -
You know what the SAF needs? Forget the uber-powerful death star killing plasma cannons! It needs more motorcycle helmets!
There is a serious lack of helmets that actually fit. Most riders have to wear a cap under the helmet because SAF stocks large quatities of size L...and not much else.
In the SAF driving school, most of the helmets are very very old... I am sure everyone of them have been in an accident before. The thing with helmets is that its structure is designed to degrade upon impact. This means that even if the helmet looks fine on the outside, its structural integrity might already have been compromised. This applies also to the helmets issued in units.
The helmet should be an issued item. Once issued, its yours. If you lose it/damage it within 3 years ++, then you will have pay to get a new one. Instead of spending money on swanky new PT singlets(! What a bloody waste of money), how bout the SAF start spending money where it really matters. -
Yes , it was reported or rather estimated by analyst that we will have abt 500 armoured Bronco.Originally posted by Delta 5:The Bronco ATTC comes in many versions... i.e. troop transport, resupply, ammunition carrier, ambulance, radar carrier... In this respect it can be regarded as the workhorse of the SAF ground units, the equal of the Russian MTLB which is also used for a wide variety of roles. However, the Bronco is articulated while the MTLB uses a conventional tracked AFV layout.
It is definately not a replacement for the various army trucks in service, but to supplement the mechanised infantry units. According to Jane's defence Weekly as many as 500 Broncos may be built by 2008.
As for it's use, and due to large number, I once said it is quick transport for infantry Bde so that they could be transported to the frontline with speed and protection.
And some of them I believe will be use for logistics, afterall we did see a open top re-supply logistic version of Bronco during NDP.
It is of course not able to replace the large truck or flatbed that we have, even the US have since Jessica Lynch case have uparmoured their Humvees and truck with additional amoured plating and that I believe could easily be done by ST if needed.
As for APC/IFVs we have plenty of them for mechanised/armoured forces, I mean it is reported to be at least 720 M113s, and some even estimated to be abt above 1000 and the Bionix is at least 300+ and some even reported to be abt 500, so have at least 1,100 to 1500 APC/IFVs ( that is already excluded our wheeled V-150/200s) , so we already have the largest fleet of APC/IFVs in SEA!!!
So does our mechanised/armoured force need the Bronco for such role, I will say no, so I only can think of is that it is mainly for troop transport for our infantry and logistic resupply.