'05 China Military Power Report
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You can't just transport your mass troops, you gotta worry about food, shelter , safety and loads of stuffs like shore defenses and ability of troops to fight for days without resting..Originally posted by alexkusu:In my humble opinion, China can invade taiwan if they have the means to transport their mass troops. Its just a matter of time. -
Definitely these are towards the western side of China, more advanced ones are towards taiwan.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Those airfields don't look like anything worth bombing... -
Of course, they are out of reach of the enemy!Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Those airfields don't look like anything worth bombing... -
Doesn't mean having ethnic chinese blood must support China as wellOriginally posted by zhaozhilong:Well, that's fair enough since you are a Singaporean and don't consider yourself a Chinese.
But I can't stand people (especially those in countries allied to America) who like to criticise China like it's out to endanger the whole world.
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This makes it more urgent for policymakers worldwide to realise that the PRC is not interested in remaining this way for the long term, and she has expansionist plans.And the US is the only benign measure of security in the Asia Pacific, and any threat to the United States is a threat to the littoral states of the Pacific.
Watch China.She may yet be on the path of prosperity and democratic rule.But another path she might take is one that of unfettered nationalism backed by a sense of grandeur once existing centuries ago, and with her population riding a wave of almost artificially high level of self-belief and obsessive nationalism, it is a dragon unleashed and if one does not look out,or monitor how she twists and twirls, their house is in danger of being burnt.
South East Asia would do well to be wary of China's intention.This PRC administration is not the inward looking dynasties of the Ming nor the Qing.Time and time again, her actions have overshadowed her "peaceful" rhetoric about friendship and calm diplomatic maneuvers.
Saddest thing here is that her people are innocent but they have been engineered into this web of patriotism by proxy, quite artificially.
The United States may have had dubious reasons for the invasion of Iraq, but I rather see a stable Middle East in the future that is aligned with the US rather than a unfettered volatile region left to its own devices.
For those who claim that China is peaceful, can you explain the continual saber-rattling over the outmoded concept of "face" , that prevents her from acknowledging that the Taiwanese people have nothing to do with the mainland politically since 1949.And under legal auspices, it is ironically the US which has the last claim on Taiwan as an island due to it being handed over by the Japanese to the United States when the latter took control and introduced the Provisional Government in Tokyo.During that time,China made no claim to Taiwan because the y had no need to do so,as Taiwan was but a mere island.
Therefore it is sheer audacity and arrogance that has led the PRC to think they have a moral right to demand the reunification of an island they abandoned 56 years ago. -
Not really, the USAF already deployed in the airbases across some central Asia nations in the name of "Anti-Terrorism" , don't forget~Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Of course, they are out of reach of the enemy!
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I won't comment on the rest of your post as your views and mine are just about opposed on every point.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Saddest thing here is that her people are innocent but they have been engineered into this web of patriotism by proxy, quite artificially.
But with the above paragraph you have just written off the intelligence of an entire nation of people from the cool, clean and distant comfort of little Singapore.
Wow...
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
WOW, WE GOT A NEW THEORY HERE, " TAIWAN ACTUALLY SHOULD BELONG TO US LEGALLY
For those who claim that China is peaceful, can you explain the continual saber-rattling over the outmoded concept of "face" , that prevents her from acknowledging that the Taiwanese people have nothing to do with the mainland politically since 1949.And under legal auspices, it is ironically the US which has the last claim on Taiwan as an island due to it being handed over by the Japanese to the United States when the latter took control and introduced the Provisional Government in Tokyo.During that time,China made no claim to Taiwan because the y had no need to do so,as Taiwan was but a mere island.
, ANY DOCUMENT TO SHOW THAT?
WHY ROC SHOULD FLEE TO TAIWAN IN 1949 IF IT'S US TERRITORY? -
These are trainer aircraft, not front line fightersOriginally posted by SMAPLionHeart:They just didn't phrase out the weapons..
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Well , they can be used as a weapon also.Originally posted by Texcoco:These are trainer aircraft, not front line fighters
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
This is the most outrageous understanding of the modern history of china and taiwan, ignorant of the fact and twisted to justify american hawkist ambition in asia. No chinese, from mainland china, taiwan or overseas, and any historian true to factual history would acknowledge.
Saddest thing here is that her people are innocent but they have been engineered into this web of patriotism by proxy, quite artificially.
The United States may have had dubious reasons for the invasion of Iraq, but I rather see a stable Middle East in the future that is aligned with the US rather than a unfettered volatile region left to its own devices.
For those who claim that China is peaceful, can you explain the continual saber-rattling over the outmoded concept of "face" , that prevents her from acknowledging [b]that the Taiwanese people have nothing to do with the mainland politically since 1949.And under legal auspices, it is ironically the US which has the last claim on Taiwan as an island due to it being handed over by the Japanese to the United States when the latter took control and introduced the Provisional Government in Tokyo.During that time,China made no claim to Taiwan because the y had no need to do so,as Taiwan was but a mere island.
Therefore it is sheer audacity and arrogance that has led the PRC to think they have a moral right to demand the reunification of an island they abandoned 56 years ago.[/b]
It is this kind of ill intended propaganda that will lead the world to war!! -
mass troops = overwhelming power.Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:You can't just transport your mass troops, you gotta worry about food, shelter , safety and loads of stuffs like shore defenses and ability of troops to fight for days without resting..
I knw one time my chinese friend told me if china ever went to war with taiwan, he would fly back to china and join the army immediately. Such patriotism..its a powerful motivation for them that overides their normal psychiological needs such as shelter, food, etc.
Oh well, i find mass troops works best. But I learn that from Command & Conquer
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It is a theory which will not increase the chances of war, as opposed to the hawkish actions and gentle facades put on by the PRC administration.Originally posted by sgdiehard:This is the most outrageous understanding of the modern history of china and taiwan, ignorant of the fact and twisted to justify american hawkist ambition in asia. No chinese, from mainland china, taiwan or overseas, and any historian true to factual history would acknowledge.
It is this kind of ill intended propaganda that will lead the world to war!!
The Chinese people want peace and progress, the rulers only care for face.And they are trying to whip up populist sentiment to further their agenda.Any plan that leads to violence is a plan devoid of morality.
And btw, what I have written is just to show you what the other side of the fence looks like.Nothing is one-sided in this world. -
America is using Taiwan to provoke China at no expense to itself. In fact they greatly profit from all the US-made weapons Taiwan had to buy in the light of this heightened tension.Originally posted by sgdiehard:This is the most outrageous understanding of the modern history of china and taiwan, ignorant of the fact and twisted to justify american hawkist ambition in asia. No chinese, from mainland china, taiwan or overseas, and any historian true to factual history would acknowledge.
It is this kind of ill intended propaganda that will lead the world to war!!
The ironic truth is that there exist little real hatred between Taiwanese and Chinese people. This is why it is possible for more than 400,000 Taiwanese - in Shanghai alone - to live, work and do profitable business. -
Likewise, my taiwanese friend stated the same thing. If China invaded, she will fly back and fight them.Originally posted by alexkusu:mass troops = overwhelming power.
I knw one time my chinese friend told me if china ever went to war with taiwan, he would fly back to china and join the army immediately. Such patriotism..its a powerful motivation for them that overides their normal psychiological needs such as shelter, food, etc.
Oh well, i find mass troops works best. But I learn that from Command & Conquer 
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Good comment, but will b better if u hacked this Minstry of Japanese Foreign Affairs website and planted your sayings on their webpage before you post it here:
For those who claim that China is peaceful, can you explain the continual saber-rattling over the outmoded concept of "face" , that prevents her from acknowledging that the Taiwanese people have nothing to do with the mainland politically since 1949.And under legal auspices, it is ironically the US which has the last claim on Taiwan as an island due to it being handed over by the Japanese to the United States when the latter took control and introduced the Provisional Government in Tokyo.During that time,China made no claim to Taiwan because the y had no need to do so,as Taiwan was but a mere island.
Therefore it is sheer audacity and arrogance that has led the PRC to think they have a moral right to demand the reunification of an island they abandoned 56 years ago.
SAN FRANCISCO PEACE TREATY
the followings are extracted from the statement:
...These agreements recognize the absolutely indisputable rights of China, now the Chinese People's Republic, to territories severed from it. It is an indisputable fact that original Chinese territories which were severed from it, such as Taiwan (Formosa), the Pescadores, the Paracel Islands and other Chinese territories, should be returned to the Chinese People's Republic. -
I refer to your statement " the US which has the last claim on Taiwan as an island due to it being handed over by the Japanese to the United States when the latter took control and introduced the Provisional Government in Tokyo.During that time,China made no claim to Taiwan because the y had no need to do so,as Taiwan was but a mere island." When japan lost the war they surrendered to the local authorities, they did not hand taiwan over to the american. When the war ended, china was under one government of ROC, so japan just handed all the land they occupied, including taiwan and much of the present north east china, back to the ROC government. Why was a claim for taiwan necessary?? If this is one side of the storey, it is the side of the american, not the side of the chinese, mainland or taiwan.Originally posted by LazerLordz:It is a theory which will not increase the chances of war, as opposed to the hawkish actions and gentle facades put on by the PRC administration.
The Chinese people want peace and progress, the rulers only care for face.And they are trying to whip up populist sentiment to further their agenda.Any plan that leads to violence is a plan devoid of morality.
And btw, what I have written is just to show you what the other side of the fence looks like.Nothing is one-sided in this world.
how can any theory that distort historical fact be credible to reduce the chance of war?
American's one sided theory is often used to justify war, not to reduce the chance of war, just like the WMD theory which they used to justify the invasion of iraq, against the whole UN.
Please keep this one side theory on the east of the pacific, they have no business in china, taiwan or mainland. -
Fair and square, but I think if Iraq and the Middle East is not rid of these misguided islamocommunazifacists today..the world will regret it one day.Originally posted by sgdiehard:I refer to your statement " the US which has the last claim on Taiwan as an island due to it being handed over by the Japanese to the United States when the latter took control and introduced the Provisional Government in Tokyo.During that time,China made no claim to Taiwan because the y had no need to do so,as Taiwan was but a mere island." When japan lost the war they surrendered to the local authorities, they did not hand taiwan over to the american. When the war ended, china was under one government of ROC, so japan just handed all the land they occupied, including taiwan and much of the present north east china, back to the ROC government. Why was a claim for taiwan necessary?? If this is one side of the storey, it is the side of the american, not the side of the chinese, mainland or taiwan.
how can any theory that distort historical fact be credible to reduce the chance of war?
American's one sided theory is often used to justify war, not to reduce the chance of war, just like the WMD theory which they used to justify the invasion of iraq, against the whole UN.
Please keep this one side theory on the east of the pacific, they have no business in china, taiwan or mainland.
America may use certain theories to justify war, but have you asked yourselves why these nations are at war with America?Is it becuase the US is too free?Or is it more than just a coincidence that they refuse to toe the line where global society is concerned.The rest of the civilised world will not let these nations run amok and threaten the path of progress. -
I don't have many disagreement with you in general, but it is how we perceive threats to civilization, more specifically singapore or how should we handle them that differ.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Fair and square, but I think if Iraq and the Middle East is not rid of these misguided islamocommunazifacists today..the world will regret it one day.
America may use certain theories to justify war, but have you asked yourselves why these nations are at war with America?Is it becuase the US is too free?Or is it more than just a coincidence that they refuse to toe the line where global society is concerned.The rest of the civilised world will not let these nations run amok and threaten the path of progress.
The world united against nazis germany, imperialist jap and facist italy only after we were attacked. The america still perceived jap as friend until pearl habour was attacked. Wars were fought on the victims land until later. Threats were not identified before the invasion began.
During cold war period, the world was divided between the communists and the capitalists, both tried to expand their influence. Wars were fought in proxy land and threats to each nation was clearly identified, depending which side are you on.
With the collapse of communist system, threats to civilization came from extremists, more specifically religious fundamentalists. Such threats come from within the people of each nation and it is more difficult to identify who among us could be threatening. It was reported that the attackers in the latest attack in london were local born and bred. It is long overdue that countries like america should look inside their country and among their own ppl. We should not identify perceived threats based on cold war model.
American's invasion of iraq highlights the facts that while the world outside of america and britain, face the same threats from terrorists, they do not consider iraq THE threat. They knew very well that many terrorists, including osama, were from saudi, american's strongest ally outside of israel, taleban fighters were trained by CIA, just to name a few.
While these other nations agreed that Saddam is a tyrant of iraq, they did not believe that Iraq, with one of the world oldest cilivization, can be changed overnight. the yankees are still learning the lesson there and the american invasion has not brought peace and stability to the people of iraq, as the american claimed.
There are necessities to identify friends and possible threats as the direction for defense strategies, especially a small country like singapore, it is not wise to openly identify the foe before it proves itself one. War talks like that of the stupid chinese general should never be supported and hawkist conclusion from such military report should never be echoed, if we want to reduce the chance of a war.
Besides cultural exchanges, economic cooperation, and political engagement among countries, mutual respects among the people remain a key factor in safeguarding the world from man made destruction.
American want the whole world to be like america. "you call it the world, we call it home." Can't have that if they don't know how to respect others. -
Ya, u r right, after I revealing such photos in another international Aviation forum. some Veteran mumbers with deep knowledge in PLA immediately pointed out the planes shown there are JJ-5, a 1950s Mig-17 Equivalent.Originally posted by Texcoco:These are trainer aircraft, not front line fighters
JJ-5 got 2 "J" , the 1st "J" means "Jian" in Han Yu Pin yin, which means "fighter plane", the 2nd "J" means "jiao" in Han Yu Pin yin, which means" teach" in English.
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China had made great progress in improving ties with ASEAN which was acknowledged by DoD's Annual report. In fact, LHL in his visit to US recently, urged US to take a positive view on the rise of China.Originally posted by LazerLordz:South East Asia would do well to be wary of China's intention.This PRC administration is not the inward looking dynasties of the Ming nor the Qing.Time and time again, her actions have overshadowed her "peaceful" rhetoric about friendship and calm diplomatic maneuvers .
Its never good for a country to be inward looking. Qing dynasty caused China to be backward, poor and subject to foreign invasion. I'm quite surprise that you think China should be so weak and poor and do not deserve to open up for progress.
For those who claim that China is peaceful, can you explain the continual saber-rattling over the outmoded concept of "face" , that prevents her from acknowledging that the Taiwanese people have nothing to do with the mainland politically since 1949.And under legal auspices, it is ironically the US which has the last claim on Taiwan as an island due to it being handed over by the Japanese to the United States when the latter took control and introduced the Provisional Government in Tokyo.During that time,China made no claim to Taiwan because the y had no need to do so,as Taiwan was but a mere island.
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I think you are referring to Senkaku/Diao yu island which was claimed by China, taiwan & Japan.
THis report shows the weakness of China. Somehow, Lee Teng Hui was right that CHina is a paper tiger. China just simply do not have the means to invade Taiwan as stated in the report.
Why do I think China is not threat? Well, if they can be easily pressurised by US to give up their currency peg to US$, what makes you think they can happily declare war on anybody without fear of international sanctions and US intervention?
Chinese govt's priority is to manage their economy, fight corruptions, and keeping their country intact. They have too many internal problems to even think of external expansion.
With US Congress passing a law forbiding arms sales to China, China can only hope to get weapons from Russia and not the West. This means that for many years to come, China will not be able to get the best weapons to counter US or Europe. -
So if China is truly a paper tiger... what is stopping Taiwan from declaring independence? The US?
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Indeed.If China is truly a paper tiger, explain the uproar in Congress over the UNOCAL issue.There is a paper written in 1995 by a PRC General titled "Unrestricted Warfare".Go read it and see the true colors of the PRC administration.Originally posted by Shotgun:So if China is truly a paper tiger... what is stopping Taiwan from declaring independence? The US? -
Indeed, taiwan came under japanese rule in 1895, became part of ROC since 1945, who has stopped Taiwan from declaring independence??Originally posted by Shotgun:So if China is truly a paper tiger... what is stopping Taiwan from declaring independence? The US?
Actually, who want Taiwan to be independent? the US, the jap?
Who and how to decide if china is a real or a paper tiger, based on statements from a few chinese generals? never knew pentagon and the american supporters listen to what the commie generals have to say.
One thing is certain, many arms salesmen are hoping that more weapons can be sold to taiwan. Better make it quick, or the present taiwanese government may have to use these money to help citizens who were hit by typhoon. -
Why think war? Use influence and diplomatic ways is the best. It may take years but they already have been patients for so many years, why canÂ’t wait for another few more years.