SAF Uniform No.4
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I'm from the new batch that had minor changes made to their uniform,especially the boots,and I just wish to post my opinions on the uniform.
No 4.
Boots-Full leather and rubber soling.No Gore-Tex like older models.Comfortable,tough and waterproof.Useful ankle guard.
Trousers-Comfortable and loose,it allows adequate ventilation of the legs and wicks moisture away from the skin.Nylon and cotton fabric,so tough and comfortable.
Shirt-The biggest problem with the shirt is the ventilation of the underarm and shoulder area,basically the armpits.Perhaps that could take this feature from the Taiwan Army uniform;thinner material and pores at the armpit area to ventilate the armpits and allow flow of air and faster evaporation of moisture from armpits.That would go a great way to alleviating the discomfort of soldiers in our humid tropical weather.If Mindef can afford to outfit the SAF with multibillion dollar weapons platforms,they should be able to make a change in uniforms like this.
Jockey Cap-No complaints.Good as ever.
Any ideas to improve the uniform? -
not sure what changes have been made to the uniform. do you know the "unchanged" uniforms to make a comparison for us?Originally posted by Sardaukar:I'm from the new batch that had minor changes made to their uniform,especially the boots,and I just wish to post my opinions on the uniform.
No 4.
Boots-Full leather and rubber soling.No Gore-Tex like older models.Comfortable,tough and waterproof.Useful ankle guard.
Trousers-Comfortable and loose,it allows adequate ventilation of the legs and wicks moisture away from the skin.Nylon and cotton fabric,so tough and comfortable.
Shirt-The biggest problem with the shirt is the ventilation of the underarm and shoulder area,basically the armpits.Perhaps that could take this feature from the Taiwan Army uniform;thinner material and pores at the armpit area to ventilate the armpits and allow flow of air and faster evaporation of moisture from armpits.That would go a great way to alleviating the discomfort of soldiers in our humid tropical weather.If Mindef can afford to outfit the SAF with multibillion dollar weapons platforms,they should be able to make a change in uniforms like this.
Jockey Cap-No complaints.Good as ever.
Any ideas to improve the uniform?
anyway, the uniform is thick so that it does not tear easily. and not sure how much holes in the armpit area can help. -
How about reducing holes in your armpits.
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??I have no idea how.Enlighten me.Originally posted by ditzy:How about reducing holes in your armpits.
@Wuming78
The uniform is essentially the same,just that the boots are changed.minor changes
I'm just thinking that if they could copy the feature of the pores for ventilation from the Taiwan uniform,then No 4 would be more comfotable and allow some ventilation.
btw,you're a regular in which unit? -
Shouldnt have pores or thinner materials.
These shirts allow you to perspire under hot weather, and yet keep the moisture on your body, Uncomfortable, yes, but rather than you dehydrate and overheat as well. -
ways to improve the uniform....
digi camo pattern...hehehz...
overall okla
i hate the leather boots when in the field...but in-campwise..it rox..
goretex is still good(till the point when u get footrot..then it sucks).....i like its ankle support...so fitting.... -
My problem with the old No4 are the trousers. The fiit is terrible.
The top of the trousers fits around the navel. This is probably so you can wear the 6cm wide canvas belt.
In my experience the trousers are way too deep. When I wear them during combat training the top of the trousers always drop below the navel to hang around the hips. This means the crotch of the trousers drops down to somewhere midway between the crotch and the knees. This makes movement extremely difficult and I always have to hitch up my trousers during movement especially when I'm climbing up.
I have seriously considered fitting very wide cloth suspenders to my No4 trousers that hang on my shoulders.
In my opinion the No4 trousers should dispense with the need to wear a wide canvas belt so the trousers can be less deep and naturally fit around the hips instead of the navel. Or if the belt option must be retained then use a thinner 3cm belt like the No3 belt.
The 6cm belt is a really old-school and uncomfortable piece of kit anyway. A leftover from the British Army.
For boots I bought my own US-made Altama Jungle Boots. This is against the SAF law and the trainers always give me hell for it. But in reservist mostly you can get away with it.
http://www.altama.com/
Why are they good?
Being half canvas they are light and when wet, they dry very quickly.
Most important, they have 2 eyelets perforated with tiny holes on the instep called "in-step" drainage vents".
As the name suggest, they let water flow out after you've been in a flooded area. They are designed so that water doesn't flow in so easily and helps tremendously to let water out. In jungle training even brand new leather boots eventually let water in. But then the water doesn't come out after that. These eyelets also act as ventilation.
I had one in-camp where we did several days and nights of amphibious assaults sleeping on Seletar Island at night. We were in and out of the sea all the time and eventually, my feet turned white and the skin on my sole peeled off in chunks. Didn't recover for a few months.
Another excercise the water in my SAF boots stayed in my boots and was sloshing all night making a lot of noise long after we left the flooded area.
The Altama boots solved all that and they're damn durable, they're still in great condition ten years after I bought them. There is also a black canvas version or you just kiwi the green canvas black which was what I did. -
SAF boots , yeah , sometimes really uncomfortable , imagine during wartime..XDOriginally posted by tvdog:My problem with the old No4 are the trousers. The fiit is terrible.
The top of the trousers fits around the navel. This is probably so you can wear the 6cm wide canvas belt.
In my experience the trousers are way too deep. When I wear them during combat training the top of the trousers always drop below the navel to hang around the hips. This means the crotch of the trousers drops down to somewhere midway between the crotch and the knees. This makes movement extremely difficult and I always have to hitch up my trousers during movement especially when I'm climbing up.
I have seriously considered fitting very wide cloth suspenders to my No4 trousers that hang on my shoulders.
In my opinion the No4 trousers should dispense with the need to wear a wide canvas belt so the trousers can be less deep and naturally fit around the hips instead of the navel. Or if the belt option must be retained then use a thinner 3cm belt like the No3 belt.
The 6cm belt is a really old-school and uncomfortable piece of kit anyway. A leftover from the British Army.
For boots I bought my own US-made Altama Jungle Boots. This is against the SAF law and the trainers always give me hell for it. But in reservist mostly you can get away with it.
http://www.altama.com/
Why are they good?
Being half canvas they are light and when wet, they dry very quickly.
Most important, they have 2 eyelets perforated with tiny holes on the instep called "in-step" drainage vents".
As the name suggest, they let water flow out after you've been in a flooded area. They are designed so that water doesn't flow in so easily and helps tremendously to let water out. In jungle training even brand new leather boots eventually let water in. But then the water doesn't come out after that. These eyelets also act as ventilation.
I had one in-camp where we did several days and nights of amphibious assaults sleeping on Seletar Island at night. We were in and out of the sea all the time and eventually, my feet turned white and the skin on my sole peeled off in chunks. Didn't recover for a few months.
Another excercise the water in my SAF boots stayed in my boots and was sloshing all night making a lot of noise long after we left the flooded area.
The Altama boots solved all that and they're damn durable, they're still in great condition ten years after I bought them. There is also a black canvas version or you just kiwi the green canvas black which was what I did. -
Get that Oakley Special Operation boots. Standard issue for US Special Operations troops somemore. It's 350 SGD though.Originally posted by tvdog:My problem with the old No4 are the trousers. The fiit is terrible.
The top of the trousers fits around the navel. This is probably so you can wear the 6cm wide canvas belt.
In my experience the trousers are way too deep. When I wear them during combat training the top of the trousers always drop below the navel to hang around the hips. This means the crotch of the trousers drops down to somewhere midway between the crotch and the knees. This makes movement extremely difficult and I always have to hitch up my trousers during movement especially when I'm climbing up.
I have seriously considered fitting very wide cloth suspenders to my No4 trousers that hang on my shoulders.
In my opinion the No4 trousers should dispense with the need to wear a wide canvas belt so the trousers can be less deep and naturally fit around the hips instead of the navel. Or if the belt option must be retained then use a thinner 3cm belt like the No3 belt.
The 6cm belt is a really old-school and uncomfortable piece of kit anyway. A leftover from the British Army.
For boots I bought my own US-made Altama Jungle Boots. This is against the SAF law and the trainers always give me hell for it. But in reservist mostly you can get away with it.
http://www.altama.com/
Why are they good?
Being half canvas they are light and when wet, they dry very quickly.
Most important, they have 2 eyelets perforated with tiny holes on the instep called "in-step" drainage vents".
As the name suggest, they let water flow out after you've been in a flooded area. They are designed so that water doesn't flow in so easily and helps tremendously to let water out. In jungle training even brand new leather boots eventually let water in. But then the water doesn't come out after that. These eyelets also act as ventilation.
I had one in-camp where we did several days and nights of amphibious assaults sleeping on Seletar Island at night. We were in and out of the sea all the time and eventually, my feet turned white and the skin on my sole peeled off in chunks. Didn't recover for a few months.
Another excercise the water in my SAF boots stayed in my boots and was sloshing all night making a lot of noise long after we left the flooded area.
The Altama boots solved all that and they're damn durable, they're still in great condition ten years after I bought them. There is also a black canvas version or you just kiwi the green canvas black which was what I did.