What are the possible weaknesses of our military?
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Erm... The PLA is a pretty impressive force to be reckoned with, let's not be ignorant about this. Can they deploy all their forces and ensure morale? You bet.Originally posted by SpecOps87:The day when war comes to Singapore is the day where although I may not have voted for the current party in power,I am willing to fight.Why?Its not for myself,but its for what ever background I have here,for my relatives,my friends,my fellow country men. And I will be damn sure to gladly make sure the other bastards die for their country instead of making me die for mine.
Communist thinking or not...The SAF trains its troopers to be thinking soldeirs of the 21st Century.Can you gurantee that China's army are even that close to their training? Also, even if you have the world's largest standing army,what makes you so certain that you will be able to deploy all your forces and ensure that their morale and goals are there.Even in the SAF, the most chao keng soldiers can be relied upon when the need arises.But can yours? We are after all arm-chair generals talking about the outcome and performance of war...but will everything is under an "if this happens" scenario,there is no definite answer for the true outcome
Morale in the armed forces is extremely high and this is not propaganda. The company I work for hires quite a few ex-servicemen including one SWAT guy as bodyguards/drivers. Most of them are very proud to have served like you wouldn't believe. And almost all Chinese people are extremely nationalistic and patriotic to the point of being obsessive.
The PLA had been feverishly updating its weaponry and tactics since the first Gulf War when they saw what the US was capable of. Their infantry troopers had always been one of the finest in Asia and now they have upgraded their technology to build decent MBTs (in great numbers as usual) and their airforce is also trying to catch up. -
Originally posted by OH-FF:Correct and he comes from a Communist Country with very dependable superiors. LoL
He would gladly be a bullet shield for his leader .
What are the two of you talking about? I thought this thread is supposed to be "possible weaknesses of SAF"? Why do you have to get defensive on my personal opinion and try to compare to PLA? A weakness is a weakness, doesn't matter how's the condition in other armies. I was just spelling out the impressions I got.Originally posted by SpecOps87:The day when war comes to Singapore is the day where although I may not have voted for the current party in power,I am willing to fight.Why?Its not for myself,but its for what ever background I have here,for my relatives,my friends,my fellow country men. And I will be damn sure to gladly make sure the other bastards die for their country instead of making me die for mine.
Communist thinking or not...The SAF trains its troopers to be thinking soldeirs of the 21st Century.Can you gurantee that China's army are even that close to their training? Also, even if you have the world's largest standing army,what makes you so certain that you will be able to deploy all your forces and ensure that their morale and goals are there.Even in the SAF, the most chao keng soldiers can be relied upon when the need arises.But can yours? We are after all arm-chair generals talking about the outcome and performance of war...but will everything is under an "if this happens" scenario,there is no definite answer for the true outcome
And did I say that I'm from China, or you just assumed that I'm from China? I'm from M'sia, but yes my ancestors are from China and I'm proud of that. -
Singaporeans like to complain this , complain that, I think it's our nature.
But NS has been more or less accepted as a duty, not everyone happy abt it, becos of lost of freedom for two years.
When war comes to our shore, at least those have complain know that they have been trained to protect his way of life, his relatives and his freedom .
Therefore , they might complain abt NS during peace time eventhough they know it is necessary evil , during a crisis , SAF is the only thing ensure our very existance!!! -
Like I always say: When the shooting starts, it's a hell lot less scary if you have something shoot back with.
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Yep.In war everything is scary...the bleeding and dying especially.However,it is less so if there is a chance for us to fight back and retailate.
When the 1st round passes your head,govt. policies,SOPs all go out the window.Your objective is to stay alive and complete the mission. -
Don't think so , i don't really think we'll be using much ground troops though.
Our weakness mostly lies in jungle warfare , don't forget , we have lived in urban jungles for all of our lives , and the northern and southern neighbours have their own indigenous orang laut , who have been living in the jungles.
Terrain-wise, we lose .
Let's face it, both side just care about the survival of their own predominant race.
M'sia keeps on rewarding it's predominant race, SG does so in a discreet manner , if war comes , we'll be fighting for our right to live. -
That's very true.We have to look in the context of our security situation, and if I were to peek into the future, i would say that the biggest foe we might have to face is not our neighbours, and instead, we would be fighting alongside them if SEA is ever threatened by militarism again.Originally posted by 84mmrr:Most of us are not professional soldiers in the 1st place. why improve military skills when it's not our career? Yes, we'll probably do our best during our reservists training but we have our daily bread and butter issues to handle. National defense is definitely our concern in general. But the probability of war is so low that the urgency is not there. -
But can you imagine what a nightmare it would be if we fight against the Malaysians? Our helmet, uniform and weapons all look too similar.Originally posted by LazerLordz:That's very true.We have to look in the context of our security situation, and if I were to peek into the future, i would say that the biggest foe we might have to face is not our neighbours, and instead, we would be fighting alongside them if SEA is ever threatened by militarism again. -
Many are telling themselves that they will surrender if the MY's water tap is closed. This is a serious psychological weakness and will affect the will to fight before and during war.Tell your fern only half of water consumption come from the north.
S$1000 million or one billion can solve all the water problem
It costs about S$200 m to $250m to build a desalination plant to supply
10 % of Sg's water demand.The price is keeping on dropping.So,one billion plus can say good bye to MY water.This is a long term picture.
What if the MY's tap closed?
The full capbacity of all Sg reservoirs is about 100 days of our demand.
If it is cut off,we have at least a short period of time complain to UN.
Though,LKY once told Dr M that we would advance if the taps is closed.
So no need to worry the tap is closed.We wont die.
pl read http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=142350
and u will sleep peacefully tonite and one less reason to migrate. -
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What is the big deal about this MINT of malaysia?Originally posted by maggot:
U should worry more about those nuclear powered USN's CVN and submarines docking at CNB. LOL -
their warheads are not armed so won't go off by themselves
Only need to worry if they are stolen -
I am not refering to the nuclear weapon onboard.Originally posted by maggot:their warheads are not armed so won't go off by themselves
Only need to worry if they are stolen
I am talking about the nuclear reactor. -
What is OPFOR?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:omitted..
In terms of agression and competence you'd be surprised by how we measure up to other professional armed forces like the US army. While training against their OPFOR in the US, a rifle platoon of NSFs and not regulars impressed the americans by achieving a kill loss ratio that was half that of the norm for their OPFOR engagements. The OPFOR soldiers commented on how the "little guys in dark green" were killing them from as far as 300m and how they would rather face their own troops then SAF riflemen NSF.
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I always wonder what is the objective of such exercises?Originally posted by bcoy:On the subject of military exercises - I've been involved on a number of exercises where my company or battalion (depending on the scale of the exercises) played the enemy troops. In most execises, we are told, ultimately, to let the larger, friendly forces, overrun us. Even if we played hard - we still let them win. People who have been involved in these exercises should know this better, and understand the circumstances and objectives of the exercise play, rather than to listen to "tales".
I've been on exercise with the US Marines - my company played enemy - going against a force of US Marine battalion plus, supported by their amphibious APC, plus the rest of my battalion (the remaining 2 companies plus the support company). Of course they will overrun us.
Same thing during BTEC - my company played enemy against one infantry battalion - we defend, then let them overrun us, as according to the needs of the exercise. Results - Infantymen going around with tales of how they beat a Guards unit.
But of course - my company have gone successfully against other larger forces. That is a different story.
Does it really put the capabilities of the commanders and their men into real test?
Everything were pre-planned top down even which side is gonna win and lose
Its wasting time and resources...
Is it the same in ATEC?
