Originally posted by Hitman_:long inchjohn and angel7030the same person??
theory 1:siamese twins with co-joined head
theory 2:guy who longs to be a gal
theory 3:longinch married angel70
theory 4:sg gov employ both of them to create problems here
hahahha
Originally posted by Arapahoe:To the point of tradditional family model. i doubt that the current economics model in most countries allow families to grow. Those days of 7 brothers 3 sisters are gone....
i think you overly exagerate the impact of western influence....my chinese ex boss has 2 mistress from China one live in N.Y. the other live in L.A. and an apartment in Ching Toa and many more following the same path.
It is in human nature to excerise the right to pursue material gain and wealth. Individualism or self center is just part of securing and acqusition on material gain....or else will be a monk.
i agreed there are big different between north/South.
Lust and pruriency is part of human sinful nature, chinese are no less human than any others. some chinese men having more than one wife does not justify pologamy. Traditional asian societies are not condoning it, the 2nd wives are not proud of being mistresses. But when Tiger Wood was reported to have cheated his wife, more and more women came out and proudly announced " I also slept with him". That is the difference.
It is the right of human being to pursue materials gain, and even monks have that rights! With traditional moral value and religious value flushed down the drain by the communists, to pursue material gains and wealth has become the main driving force for the people in china, legally or illegally, morally or immorally. It goes beyond the questions of right, there is no right to immorality, and illegality.
Asian values call for society before family, family before self. While I do not necessarily subscribe to "society before family", I firmly believe in working for my family. Western influence may be too sweeping a term, and probably should not include european, but definitely american, and the impact is beyond doubt.
Originally posted by angel7030:the funny part is that, in this world, most in the north are consider to be educated, white, rich and powerful. Same goes to india, some goes to land of america, and also to thailand, to china, maybe only south africa can do well in africa.
most of our ancestor coming to singapore are from southern part of china, and we performing damn well. Hmmmm..lky from Hakka hor
south africa can do well because the rulers were the brits!
dont get me wrong, southerners also can perform well, but historically civilization started in the north, societies in the north are more developed, that is a fact to recognize.
Singaporean society is still being shaped, culture is evolving, identity is yet to be firmly rooted, too early to say we are performing damn well.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
south africa can do well because the rulers were the brits!dont get me wrong, southerners also can perform well, but historically civilization started in the north, societies in the north are more developed, that is a fact to recognize.
Singaporean society is still being shaped, culture is evolving, identity is yet to be firmly rooted, too early to say we are performing damn well.
only the brit do well with the diamond of south africa, the people of s africa are still very cham ok, when i went there, at 6pm, you better stay in your hotel, one of the highest crime in the world is in S africa ya. Wine is damn cheap. Like water.
In singapore, we also differentiation among our citizens, those in the east are consider better and richer...those in the west are consider no much standard. Me live in changi and also joo chiat ok.
Originally posted by angel7030:
only the brit do well with the diamond of south africa, the people of s africa are still very cham ok, when i went there, at 6pm, you better stay in your hotel, one of the highest crime in the world is in S africa ya. Wine is damn cheap. Like water.In singapore, we also differentiation among our citizens, those in the east are consider better and richer...those in the west are consider no much standard. Me live in changi and also joo chiat ok.
heard about how great a place S africa is, also the crime. never been there.
in singapore, not sure if those in the east are rich, because the prime land is not there, but I do know they are old. those in the west are industrialized people, those in the south are business people, those in the north are the average people, ....
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
heard about how great a place S africa is, also the crime. never been there.in singapore, not sure if those in the east are rich, because the prime land is not there, but I do know they are old. those in the west are industrialized people, those in the south are business people, those in the north are the average people, ....
i also heard that those living in the east live more longer and less foreigners
angel7030 is not human...
angel is angel, human is human, and god is God ya
Originally posted by sgdiehard:Lust and pruriency is part of human sinful nature, chinese are no less human than any others. some chinese men having more than one wife does not justify pologamy. Traditional asian societies are not condoning it, the 2nd wives are not proud of being mistresses. But when Tiger Wood was reported to have cheated his wife, more and more women came out and proudly announced " I also slept with him". That is the difference.
It is the right of human being to pursue materials gain, and even monks have that rights! With traditional moral value and religious value flushed down the drain by the communists, to pursue material gains and wealth has become the main driving force for the people in china, legally or illegally, morally or immorally. It goes beyond the questions of right, there is no right to immorality, and illegality.
Asian values call for society before family, family before self. While I do not necessarily subscribe to "society before family", I firmly believe in working for my family. Western influence may be too sweeping a term, and probably should not include european, but definitely american, and the impact is beyond doubt.
Working for family i believe it is universal human value rather than an Asian value. In the State side Family are always the basic units. Infact the strenght of the Ameican cultured is always from the sub urban community bond. "Do not caught up by the sensational news"
The parent spend more time with kids activities more than SG. It goes beyond a simple terms of provider.
What draws the different is that the requirement for young people to be independent by 18 years draws the different between Singapore vs American cultured.
Recalled i once said the early childhood development between Asian vs American. Are taught differently. In pre school you are taught how to hold a Pen correctly, how to held chopstick correctly. In American it is to allow kids to expand their creativities. So they throw crayon at the kids let them hold anyway they want but DRAW. The downside is sometime as adult they don't necessary have the right skill.
James Cameron was a auto mechanics and one day he discovered film making and drop everything. He did not go to film school to be a director in day 1.
I think the different is to be independent to Think for oneself does not necessary have to be self-center while pursuing your own interest at others expend. And that i can't said for most Asian or Chinese for the purposes of this discussion.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:Working for family i believe it is universal human value rather than an Asian value. In the State side Family are always the basic units. Infact the strenght of the Ameican cultured is always from the sub urban community bond. "Do not caught up by the sensational news"
The parent spend more time with kids activities more than SG. It goes beyond a simple terms of provider.
What draws the different is that the requirement for young people to be independent by 18 years draws the different between Singapore vs American cultured.
Recalled i once said the early childhood development between Asian vs American. Are taught differently. In pre school you are taught how to hold a Pen correctly, how to held chopstick correctly. In American it is to allow kids to expand their creativities. So they throw crayon at the kids let them hold anyway they want but DRAW. The downside is sometime as adult they don't necessary have the right skill.
James Cameron was a auto mechanics and one day he discovered film making and drop everything. He did not go to film school to be a director in day 1.
I think the different is to be independent to Think for oneself does not necessary have to be self-center while pursuing your own interest at others expend. And that i can't said for most Asian or Chinese for the purposes of this discussion.
Some Singaporean mother the other day was complaining to me about how in USA childcare, her kid does not learn anything.
But on further enquiry, it's more about how the childcare centre wants the kid to learn how to speak up, if he/she wants something, and not just to keep quiet and expect someone to know what he/she wants.
I think they are teaching kids to be independent from an early age, and how to speak up, which is not a bad thing.
Originally posted by soul_rage:
Some Singaporean mother the other day was complaining to me about how in USA childcare, her kid does not learn anything.But on further enquiry, it's more about how the childcare centre wants the kid to learn how to speak up, if he/she wants something, and not just to keep quiet and expect someone to know what he/she wants.
I think they are teaching kids to be independent from an early age, and how to speak up, which is not a bad thing.
For most immigrant parents particularly from our part of the world if they are ignorant of the school system here they are in for trouble. The Parent would only have the first 13th to 14th years to influence the kids. Beyond that it belong to the School system, and School Friends.
2 case....
I have a relative that settledown in the states side back in the 70s and their kids gew up to be attorney and school principle.
My exboss has a kids that grew up here drop out from high school gone into rehab.
and worst case scenario....immigrant parent send their kids back to China so that grandparent take care of the child. Few years later the kids call the mum..... Aunty.
Kids here have to compete and pressure to show result at a very young age more so than in Singapore. Look at their saturday schedule is all competitive sport training. Starting from 5 yrs old Pee Wee baseball.
You guys do realise that if encouraging creativity the way the Americans did it is so much better, why did they hire you two who were brought up the competitive but uncreative way ? (Though, if you were not i apologize)
Don't get me wrong i do believe our current education system for Singaporean kids definitely needs work, but even as someone working in the supposedly "creative" industry i'm pretty useless if i don't have a team of tech guys giving me my softwares, my computer and my electricity.
But for every one James Cameron, there are probably a hundred (Just in America alone) who hurt their families and friends by losing everything when they gave up what they did and failed(as in they didn't made it big). Only Cinderella ever gets remembered, not the many maids scrubbing the floors.
While definitely the ideal is for a mix of both creative thinking and fundamentals, personally i would go for a stronger dose of fundamentals.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:For most immigrant parents particularly from our part of the world if they are ignorant of the school system here they are in for trouble. The Parent would only have the first 13th to 14th years to influence the kids. Beyond that it belong to the School system, and School Friends.
2 case....
I have a relative that settledown in the states side back in the 70s and their kids gew up to be attorney and school principle.
My exboss has a kids that grew up here drop out from high school gone into rehab.
and worst case scenario....immigrant parent send their kids back to China so that grandparent take care of the child. Few years later the kids call the mum..... Aunty.
Kids here have to compete and pressure to show result at a very young age more so than in Singapore. Look at their saturday schedule is all competitive sport training. Starting from 5 yrs old Pee Wee baseball.
Yea i read about the China kid thing but from their perspective, their parents probably thought it was a worth it price to pay in order to give their child a step up from the rest of the kids in China.
Who the child is surrounded by when he's growing up means a great deal as well.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:You guys do realise that if encouraging creativity the way the Americans did it is so much better, why did they hire you two who were brought up the competitive but uncreative way ? (Though, if you were not i apologize)
Don't get me wrong i do believe our current education system for Singaporean kids definitely needs work, but even as someone working in the supposedly "creative" industry i'm pretty useless if i don't have a team of tech guys giving me my softwares, my computer and my electricity.
But for every one James Cameron, there are probably a hundred (Just in America alone) who hurt their families and friends by losing everything when they gave up what they did and failed. Only Cinderalla ever gets remembered, not the many maids scrubbing the floors.
While definitely the ideal is for a mix of both creative thinking and fundamentals, personally i would go for a stronger dose of fundamentals.
If I were still the same old Singaporean, I would not be here. I was trained to think in multiple perspectives after intense competition with PRCs, Indians, Indonesians, Mauritians in the university.
That said, I still retain a significant portion of the Singapore educational characteristics, ie. being systematic. I am probably suited for my job, coz it requires systematic cum creative thinking for success.
That said, I do not say that our education is a failure. However, I tend to think that creativity is also a fundamental soft skill, which is sorely lacking in our education system.
Our system nurtures very good followers, but lacks in nurturing leadership and initiative.
Originally posted by Arapahoe:Working for family i believe it is universal human value rather than an Asian value. In the State side Family are always the basic units. Infact the strenght of the Ameican cultured is always from the sub urban community bond. "Do not caught up by the sensational news"
The parent spend more time with kids activities more than SG. It goes beyond a simple terms of provider.
What draws the different is that the requirement for young people to be independent by 18 years draws the different between Singapore vs American cultured.
Recalled i once said the early childhood development between Asian vs American. Are taught differently. In pre school you are taught how to hold a Pen correctly, how to held chopstick correctly. In American it is to allow kids to expand their creativities. So they throw crayon at the kids let them hold anyway they want but DRAW. The downside is sometime as adult they don't necessary have the right skill.
James Cameron was a auto mechanics and one day he discovered film making and drop everything. He did not go to film school to be a director in day 1.
I think the different is to be independent to Think for oneself does not necessary have to be self-center while pursuing your own interest at others expend. And that i can't said for most Asian or Chinese for the purposes of this discussion.
The big difference in the family defined in American and Asian.
In America, a family is made up of husband, wife, and children up to age of 18. In Asia, a son may be 50 yrs old, he is still the son to his parents and part of the family. With these different definitions come the differences in responsibilities to one another. How the parents teach their children, or how much time they put in depends on what they view as importance for their children, but what the children grow up to be largely depends on the children, you can blame the school, the teachers,…..
It is rightly pointed out that fundamentals are needed before we talk about creativity. We need to know what are in the box before we can think out of the box. Of course, how much fundamentals are needed is debatable. Hold a pen correctly so you will feel less tired in writing, hold the chopstick properly to ensure you don’t drop the food on the table, these are fundamentals.
But there is more to that. you should know what is table manner, when you use chopstick or even fork and spoon. Use your hand to pick up your hamburger, and take bite with your mouth opened as big as possible, hehehe….lick your finger after that, no wonder the European question the american culture.
Take your example, it doesn’t matter how you hold the chalk as long as you know how to DRAW. American emphasis is on result, not the way to achieve. American MNCs retrench thousands of workers in order to achieve results, switch to production in china leaving thousands of contract workers in Indonesia jobless to reduce product cost, and to pay fat bonuses to the CEO…there are other values, such as ethic, morality besides creativity and independence.
It is time to walk outside American and see what civilized world can be.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:The big difference in the family defined in American and Asian.
In America, a family is made up of husband, wife, and children up to age of 18. In Asia, a son may be 50 yrs old, he is still the son to his parents and part of the family. With these different definitions come the differences in responsibilities to one another. How the parents teach their children, or how much time they put in depends on what they view as importance for their children, but what the children grow up to be largely depends on the children, you can blame the school, the teachers,…..
It is rightly pointed out that fundamentals are needed before we talk about creativity. We need to know what are in the box before we can think out of the box. Of course, how much fundamentals are needed is debatable. Hold a pen correctly so you will feel less tired in writing, hold the chopstick properly to ensure you don’t drop the food on the table, these are fundamentals.
But there is more to that. you should know what is table manner, when you use chopstick or even fork and spoon. Use your hand to pick up your hamburger, and take bite with your mouth opened as big as possible, hehehe….lick your finger after that, no wonder the European question the american culture.
Take your example, it doesn’t matter how you hold the chalk as long as you know how to DRAW. American emphasis is on result, not the way to achieve. American MNCs retrench thousands of workers in order to achieve results, switch to production in china leaving thousands of contract workers in Indonesia jobless to reduce product cost, and to pay fat bonuses to the CEO…there are other values, such as ethic, morality besides creativity and independence.
It is time to walk outside American and see what civilized world can be.
Singapore MNCs retrench workers in order to cut costs, EVEN IF they still have positive results.
"It's better to retrench now when there is profit, than to retrench later when the company is making losses" - Lee Hsien Loong
And what is your explanation to that? I would really like to hear how you defend Singapore MNCs and see if you have double standards or not.
In addition, are you so sure that American MNCs are all bad and nothing good? AT least the ones I was in, emphasized a lot on human rights and ensuring people do not overtime without getting off-in-lieus. In our local firms, people are made to slave for them without any benefits.
I quote a clause in a contract that I knew about from a certain supermarket chain that is affliated to the govt:
"There will be times when you have to work extra hours, during weekends, or public holidays. You will not be entitled to any replacement off or be able to claim overtime pay, should the above be required"
In addition, American MNCs pay much better than Singapore MNCs. As such, I prefer working in them, coz I can deliver
Finally, in USA here, there are many companies that still offer pension schemes, not like Singapore.
And, you claimed that USA companies retrench and move jobs to China. In Singapore, we easily import many PRCs here to compete with the locals for jobs. Now, is there much difference between the two?
It's time to walk out of Singapore and learn more of the world, than to just read newspaper reports that focuses only on the negative and the dramatic.
Originally posted by angel7030:
only the brit do well with the diamond of south africa, the people of s africa are still very cham ok, when i went there, at 6pm, you better stay in your hotel, one of the highest crime in the world is in S africa ya. Wine is damn cheap. Like water.In singapore, we also differentiation among our citizens, those in the east are consider better and richer...those in the west are consider no much standard. Me live in changi and also joo chiat ok.
Actually, one of my ex-bosses who is in senior management in one of our banks, advise me not to buy properties in the East.
The quality of the land in the East is not good, due to them being reclaimed land. As such, the foundations of houses over there are weaker.
My richer friends either live in the prime district, or in the areas of river valley, and some even Pasir Panjang, which is becoming expensive due to the IR. East is hardly ever considered for the rich.
HDB prices at Queenstown or Tiong Bahru are amongst the most expensive. They are also in the West.
West Coast property prices are comparable to Bedok.
Joo Chiat is close to Geylang. Property prices there are mostly suppressed due to the location. Changi is hardly ever considered for the rich. I really doubt you know the market well, angel7030
buy a house in orchard road! walking distance to Istana!
houses are same throughout spore due to correct engineering practices when doing surveys and foundation buildings.the houses are all good for 50 years with no t much problems and cracks...its the people inside house thats got problems.
Originally posted by soul_rage:Singapore MNCs retrench workers in order to cut costs, EVEN IF they still have positive results.
"It's better to retrench now when there is profit, than to retrench later when the company is making losses" - Lee Hsien Loong
And what is your explanation to that? I would really like to hear how you defend Singapore MNCs and see if you have double standards or not.
In addition, are you so sure that American MNCs are all bad and nothing good? AT least the ones I was in, emphasized a lot on human rights and ensuring people do not overtime without getting off-in-lieus. In our local firms, people are made to slave for them without any benefits.
I quote a clause in a contract that I knew about from a certain supermarket chain that is affliated to the govt:
"There will be times when you have to work extra hours, during weekends, or public holidays. You will not be entitled to any replacement off or be able to claim overtime pay, should the above be required"
In addition, American MNCs pay much better than Singapore MNCs. As such, I prefer working in them, coz I can deliver
Finally, in USA here, there are many companies that still offer pension schemes, not like Singapore.
And, you claimed that USA companies retrench and move jobs to China. In Singapore, we easily import many PRCs here to compete with the locals for jobs. Now, is there much difference between the two?
It's time to walk out of Singapore and learn more of the world, than to just read newspaper reports that focuses only on the negative and the dramatic.
Who is defending Singapore MNC? which companies were LHL refering to? which MNCs in Singapore are retrenching?
For your information, there are companies from all over the world in Singapore, and they practice policies of their home companies, and only abide by the laws of singapore.
Secondly, there is a difference between retrenchment DUE to redundancy and retrenchment TO reduce cost. There is a difference between reducing cost to survive and reducing cost to increase profits.
Thirdly, there is a difference between retrenching those who are WORKING with the company to save cost and employing cheaper NEW staff to keep cost down.
It is not about America and Singapore or the PAP!! You must have a pathetic childhood in Singapore, badly abused by the PAP, even in bright day light, you see only dark shadow, your own shadow.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:Who is defending Singapore MNC? which companies were LHL refering to? which MNCs in Singapore are retrenching?
For your information, there are companies from all over the world in Singapore, and they practice policies of their home companies, and only abide by the laws of singapore.
Secondly, there is a difference between retrenchment DUE to redundancy and retrenchment TO reduce cost. There is a difference between reducing cost to survive and reducing cost to increase profits.
Thirdly, there is a difference between retrenching those who are WORKING with the company to save cost and employing cheaper NEW staff to keep cost down.
It is not about America and Singapore or the PAP!! You must have a pathetic childhood in Singapore, badly abused by the PAP, even in bright day light, you see only dark shadow, your own shadow.
Interesting, your feigned ignorance about Singapore MNC retrenching means you aren't reading the newspaper. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, since it seems you are pretty ignorant. Also, it shows you don't even understand what I mean when I say Singapore MNCs, NOT MNCs with a presence in Singapore (You cannot even differentiate the 2)
I can also see you are very biased towards USA, and told Aparahoe to see more of the world, as if he has not seen more than you do. Your biasness imply that you don't see much, and only derive your conclusions from 3rd party views, reports, etc.
In 2003, PSA retrenched 10% of its workforce. Lee Hsien Loong made a comment that "it's better to retrench in good times than in bad times". This was one of the most infamous statements he ever made. It opened the way for companies to have the option to retrench people in Singapore, even if they are still making money.
It's way different from USA, when companies are making losses, that they have to retrench.
You said there is a difference to retrench due to redundancy and retrench due to cutting costs. PSA was no different from the companies in USA, retrenching to cut costs. The DIFFERENCE is, PSA did it even when it was making huge profits, UNLIKE companies in USA that are making losses.
Did I link my views to the PAP? I merely am quoting a factual report about PSA. I would like you to retract your needless accusation and offensive remark. If you don't, it's also fine, it says much about your total lack of graciousness to acknowledge your mistake
Originally posted by angel7030:
only the brit do well with the diamond of south africa, the people of s africa are still very cham ok, when i went there, at 6pm, you better stay in your hotel, one of the highest crime in the world is in S africa ya. Wine is damn cheap. Like water.In singapore, we also differentiation among our citizens, those in the east are consider better and richer...those in the west are consider no much standard. Me live in changi and also joo chiat ok.
when the references about the Rich Noth vs the Poor South it is in reference of latitude... and geographical region and population, it is not between a few kilometers.....
i said in many other threads you need to go back to higher education....
you are at best a Sophmore....in greek that is Call a
WISE FOOL - in the sense you read some but no the indepth....
Originally posted by Stevenson101:You guys do realise that if encouraging creativity the way the Americans did it is so much better, why did they hire you two who were brought up the competitive but uncreative way ? (Though, if you were not i apologize)
Don't get me wrong i do believe our current education system for Singaporean kids definitely needs work, but even as someone working in the supposedly "creative" industry i'm pretty useless if i don't have a team of tech guys giving me my softwares, my computer and my electricity.
But for every one James Cameron, there are probably a hundred (Just in America alone) who hurt their families and friends by losing everything when they gave up what they did and failed(as in they didn't made it big). Only Cinderella ever gets remembered, not the many maids scrubbing the floors.
While definitely the ideal is for a mix of both creative thinking and fundamentals, personally i would go for a stronger dose of fundamentals.
But for every one James Cameron, there are probably a hundred (Just in America alone) who hurt their families and friends by losing everything when they gave up what they did and failed(as in they didn't made it big). Only Cinderella ever gets remembered, not the many maids scrubbing the floors.
While definitely the ideal is for a mix of both creative thinking and fundamentals, personally i would go for a stronger dose of fundamentals.
Yes most SG would choose to rely on fundamentals because it is a safed path....imagine if James Cameron in 2005 walked into UOB and ask for 300 million up front to fund for a movie project without guarantee return on profit. Would any senior exe have the foresight to ink the approval if he rely on fundamentals?
You can choose to be negative but there was a couple of points about James Cameron that i had wanted to make....and that is not so much of the millions screen writers fail behind him. But 1st he learned the trade on his own rather than gone to famous film school. 2nd He work towards perfecting his work first rather than on Money.....Last of all you have to look not at how many thousand screen writer fail but rather how many he inspired.
In an interviewed with Charlie Rose, James cameron has told the network that he would not to take any royality or profit on Titanics due to high cost he felt that Titanics as a work of Art and personal satisfaction. But the network turn his gestured down because they thought it would not make any money "Anyway"....but it turn out that he made over and higher than 700 million.....
Originally posted by Arapahoe:But for every one James Cameron, there are probably a hundred (Just in America alone) who hurt their families and friends by losing everything when they gave up what they did and failed(as in they didn't made it big). Only Cinderella ever gets remembered, not the many maids scrubbing the floors.
While definitely the ideal is for a mix of both creative thinking and fundamentals, personally i would go for a stronger dose of fundamentals.
Yes most SG would choose to rely on fundamentals because it is a safed path....imagine if James Cameron in 2005 walked into UOB and ask for 300 million up front to fund for a movie project without guarantee return on profit. Would any senior exe have the foresight to ink the approval if he rely on fundamentals?
You can choose to be negative but there was a couple of points about James Cameron that i had wanted to make....and that is not so much of the millions screen writers fail behind him. But 1st he learned the trade on his own rather than gone to famous film school. 2nd He work towards perfecting his work first rather than on Money.....Last of all you have to look not at how many thousand screen writer fail but rather how many he inspired.
In an interviewed with Charlie Rose, James cameron has told the network that he would not to take any royality or profit on Titanics due to high cost he felt that Titanics as a work of Art and personal satisfaction. But the network turn his gestured down because they thought it would not make any money "Anyway"....but it turn out that he made over and higher than 700 million.....
You brought in a point here, it's termed as "passion".
How many of us can claim to be working because of our passion for our work, and not because we need a job to feed us? One of my ex-bosses said, "You do not pursue happiness directly, but pursue things that will bring about happiness indirectly". It's similar for $$$ I guess. Too many juniors in my days in university told me that they came to my faculty coz they want to earn lots of $$$. And because of that, they get into the wrong thing (and hence not their interest), and I see many of them not making it.
In Singapore, we are a very pragmatic society, that we don't truly pursue our interests, but rather pursue targets that will most definitely be a job that can feed us. Not that it is wrong, and for the majority of it, I guess it is a more stable path. It is also not encouraged in our system. From young, we attend the same set of education, shut up during class when we were much younger, and our job in class was to listen to the teacher
Over here, seems like kids are encouraged to speak up, take initiatives way early in life. This can consequently lead to them to start thinking early in life, and hence, start exploring their own interests (and not their parents, or the system's interests) much earlier than us.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:The big difference in the family defined in American and Asian.
In America, a family is made up of husband, wife, and children up to age of 18. In Asia, a son may be 50 yrs old, he is still the son to his parents and part of the family. With these different definitions come the differences in responsibilities to one another. How the parents teach their children, or how much time they put in depends on what they view as importance for their children, but what the children grow up to be largely depends on the children, you can blame the school, the teachers,…..
It is rightly pointed out that fundamentals are needed before we talk about creativity. We need to know what are in the box before we can think out of the box. Of course, how much fundamentals are needed is debatable. Hold a pen correctly so you will feel less tired in writing, hold the chopstick properly to ensure you don’t drop the food on the table, these are fundamentals.
But there is more to that. you should know what is table manner, when you use chopstick or even fork and spoon. Use your hand to pick up your hamburger, and take bite with your mouth opened as big as possible, hehehe….lick your finger after that, no wonder the European question the american culture.
Take your example, it doesn’t matter how you hold the chalk as long as you know how to DRAW. American emphasis is on result, not the way to achieve. American MNCs retrench thousands of workers in order to achieve results, switch to production in china leaving thousands of contract workers in Indonesia jobless to reduce product cost, and to pay fat bonuses to the CEO…there are other values, such as ethic, morality besides creativity and independence.
It is time to walk outside American and see what civilized world can be.
I would like to draw a few pointers.
P -1
Isn’t it not true that Sun Yet Seng had import in modern value that brought a breath of fresh air to the Patriarch feudal Chinese monarchist society? He had to lead a revolution to get recognition. Isn’t it not true that in order find new ground you have to break from known fundamental…..
Although Singapore is not a feudal society but one could not help by observing the parallel of Patriarch Politics in Singapore society and the expectation of its citizens; while overseas observers has long called Singapore a Lee Dynasty for years. Aren't we all so tired of being Told by some minister?
P - 2
What happen is that kids that grew up in America developed individual opinions much younger than kids grow up in Asia. As such by age 13th – 14th , Parents could no longer exercise authoritarian right on the children as if you were in Singapore.
Parenting in the US requires much higher parenting skills sets and responsibilities as compared to Singapore that depend on public social system. I think parenting skills has been largely ignored in Singapore as both parents work and maid was employed. (Sorry different Tangent off topics)
But more importantly relationship between Parents and children took a more “Adulthood” relationship there is less interfering of adult lifestyle. The honoring of parents is shown thru how they lead one’s life.
P -3
I think it is socially wrong to assume because of the independent nature of the society. Kids do not hold family relationship after 18yrs of age. As you would already know either in Thanks Giving and Christmas is a busy travelling period in the US because they returned home to be with their family. It is the same as CNY. (You have to take reference between the sizes of SG vs. US. Is not only some MRT Station away)
Plus it is hard to simplify American cultured because of the diverse ethnicity from immigrant throughout the world as such the single most common Day to mark family, and appreciation is Thanks Giving Day.
(And of course my Chinese co-worker called it Turkey Festival in Cantonese) everyone that move here has a variety in the depth of comprehending the merit of this society. what is important is not what it should "represent" but how one use it to better their lives. So Family A is always different from "B" .
That is why there are so many version of what America should be.....ha ha ha.