will there be enough food for old age or not?
If they want to increase the salary, nobody can stop them.
Anyway, feel mumb liao.
this is not first time, tehy increase their salary
don't know whether they pt or ft
The collective agreement already justified that when GDP goes up in an export orientation economy like us, it mean that profit increased, therefore we judge it as well done, and when you done well, you should be rewarded, that is the rule of the game.
As i said before, our govt being so flexible that they are able to cut 20% of their paid during the deep financial crisis, took the lead in encouraging many management to cut thier pay, so now a bit of few percentage increase just to get an even out, which certainly not an increase if you consider the 20% cut earlier. So what is the big deal here? Constipation again??
LOL,this Fuking old man LKY says he can earn more in private sector?Haha,this Bald old ugly shit LKY are becoming more n more shameless with each year passing.
He dont know that everytime he utters rubbish,it is his children n grandchildren who would bear the embarrassment he bring when they surf internet forums,Stupid Fuk!!!!
P.S.The next thing we know,our shameless forumer "the Bear" will be coming in n defend n bootlick his one n only master LKY.Everytime a country goes into chaos,there will definitely be some "Jian Ren"(Selfish bad Eunuch) who would do anything to help the dictator ruin the country even further just for the sake of their own benefit.
This kind of fuking bootlicking shits are even worse than the dictator himself.Coz they will keep "comforting n assuring" the dictator that everything he does is right n mislead the dictator to do more wrong thing.
I can tell u all,when these bunch of "Jian Ren" dies,God will certainly open another Hell more suffering than torturing the dictator for these bunch of fuking Eunuch!!!!
herzog,
why wanna build those stuff like nuclear fission?besides a kid from usa did it once at home in his basement.
hey herzog...just cuz the industries yu have been in are those cock types and phasing out type of process.
they have production lines in spore thats able to produce $1 billiion / year in a space half a football field.all with robots and process all that dont require human intervention.all doing production.all assembling faster and better than china or any human alive every day!in that kinda production line which have been in existence for decades.....no humans ever needed except for loading of materials and random QC checks.....they are way faster than any human in production....and they are way cheaper as u dun need to pay robots salary. SO WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN THE PAST.....WE ARE ALREADY FASTER,BETTER AND CHEAPER!WHAT U WANT??GET RID OF THE ROBOTS AND REPLACE THEM WITH SLOWER HUMAN FOREIGNERS?
thing is you dont even often see this in the USA where it was designed and manufactured so if u have werked in a cock production line that needs plenty human intervention then...........well....at least ya have a job that pays the bills....
but if u insists to get a robot to design a nuclear fission or fusion for u, i can design it for you once i do the uranium refinement process properly...but do ya have that kinda cash??.but why do u need to do nuclear when theres wind power or wave powered?
they arent interested in wanting to do a faster,cheaper and better job kinda story....its the cpf contributions from the 6 million people..they already have faster ,cheaper and better production lines in spore donkey years ago!
Originally posted by Howlheje:LOL,this Fuking old man LKY says he can earn more in private sector?Haha,this Bald old ugly shit LKY are becoming more n more shameless with each year passing.
He dont know that everytime he utters rubbish,it is his children n grandchildren who would bear the embarrassment he bring when they surf internet forums,Stupid Fuk!!!!
P.S.The next thing we know,our shameless forumer "the Bear" will be coming in n defend n bootlick his one n only master LKY.Everytime a country goes into chaos,there will definitely be some "Jian Ren"(Selfish bad Eunuch) who would do anything to help the dictator ruin the country even further just for the sake of their own benefit.
This kind of fuking bootlicking shits are even worse than the dictator himself.Coz they will keep "comforting n assuring" the dictator that everything he does is right n mislead the dictator to do more wrong thing.
I can tell u all,when these bunch of "Jian Ren" dies,God will certainly open another Hell more suffering than torturing the dictator for these bunch of fuking Eunuch!!!!
he can bald, he can ugly, he can old or F whatever you want, but without him, guess you might not be here too. Understand. Dun bite the hand that feed you ya
Originally posted by angel7030:The collective agreement already justified that when GDP goes up in an export orientation economy like us, it mean that profit increased, therefore we judge it as well done, and when you done well, you should be rewarded, that is the rule of the game.
As i said before, our govt being so flexible that they are able to cut 20% of their paid during the deep financial crisis, took the lead in encouraging many management to cut thier pay, so now a bit of few percentage increase just to get an even out, which certainly not an increase if you consider the 20% cut earlier. So what is the big deal here? Constipation again??
They have lost billions of dollars. Have they earned back the billions of dollars
lost now ?
So when you lose billions of dollars for a company and when the company's revenue
increases and you demand that you want an increase in salary, even though the
company's loss that will take years to earn back ?
Originally posted by angel7030:
he can bald, he can ugly, he can old or F whatever you want, but without him, guess you might not be here too. Understand. Dun bite the hand that feed you ya
You can fuk off with your BALD UGLY OLD SHIT,i could care less about you.
Originally posted by Seowlah:They have lost billions of dollars. Have they earned back the billions of dollars
lost now ?
So when you lose billions of dollars for a company and when the company's revenue
increases and you demand that you want an increase in salary, even though the
company's loss that will take years to earn back ?
Have US earn back their billions, had Dubai earn back their billions, had most europe countries earn back their billions?? come on, we are not the only one in hot soup. And where does lost billions come from in the first place? and when you lose abit, you get shaken? We are in global investment and financial sector, not some rubber plantation in malaysia or coconut in indonesia ya, and when economy bounce back, we gained?
Are you still better off then malaysia, or indonesia or thais or viet??? Did you lost your shares? did you gain? is the current $1 sg Coin you holding losing value?? Does our loses and gain affect you living? No right, you still go on and enjoy your shopping and holiday with sg dollars and with good exchange rate too? Now what is saving for??? for bury or for raininig days?
Originally posted by angel7030:
Have US earn back their billions, had Dubai earn back their billions, had most europe countries earn back their billions?? come on, we are not the only one in hot soup. And where does lost billions come from in the first place? and when you lose abit, you get shaken? We are in global investment and financial sector, not some rubber plantation in malaysia or coconut in indonesia ya, and when economy bounce back, we gained?Are you still better off then malaysia, or indonesia or thais or viet??? Did you lost your shares? did you gain? is the current $1 sg Coin you holding losing value?? Does our loses and gain affect you living? No right, you still go on and enjoy your shopping and holiday with sg dollars and with good exchange rate too? Now what is saving for??? for bury or for raininig days?
If an employee in your pub costs you to lose 1 million dollar and when this year your pub's revenue increases by 10% and this employee demands that you give him or her for a pay rise of 20%, will you give this employee a pay rise ?
Originally posted by Seowlah:If an employee in your pub costs you to lose 1 million dollar and when this year your pub's revenue increases by 10% and this employee demands that you give him or her for a pay rise of 20%, will you give this employee a pay rise ?
if he earns 3 millions before he lost 1 million due to unforeseen circumstances beyong his ability to react, i can still pardon him. And certainly i will raise his pay if he performed well this year, because at the end of the day, i employed him, so i am responsible for what he did and will try my best to standby him. Just like when we voted the Govt and they won, we must trust them, support them if not, we are going against both our moral value as a voter and also the consituitional laws of Singapore that give them the mandate to make decision for the Republic of Singapore. Get it?
our government is fast becoming a financial joke,
in england they have the once off 50% tax on banker's bonuses. maybe we should have that kind of tax on our politicians.
us Obama, gave his country bankers some dressing down.
Originally posted by angel7030:
if he earns 3 millions before he lost 1 million due to unforeseen circumstances beyong his ability to react, i can still pardon him. And certainly i will raise his pay if he performed well this year, because at the end of the day, i employed him, so i am responsible for what he did and will try my best to standby him. Just like when we voted the Govt and they won, we must trust them, support them if not, we are going against both our moral value as a voter and also the consituitional laws of Singapore that give them the mandate to make decision for the Republic of Singapore. Get it?
Very generous hor. OK. I will believe you for the time being lor. But will all other employers as generous as you are ?
They expect/demand the ordinary singaporeans to be lowly or underpaid, it is only fair they cut their world class salary by 50%. Such a waste and super high maintenance to keep these hopeless ministers. WE should just sack them and replace them with cheap foreigners.
the ruling party never never lead by examples. pui!
Originally posted by Howlheje:LOL,this Fuking old man LKY says he can earn more in private sector?Haha,this Bald old ugly shit LKY are becoming more n more shameless with each year passing.
He dont know that everytime he utters rubbish,it is his children n grandchildren who would bear the embarrassment he bring when they surf internet forums,Stupid Fuk!!!!
P.S.The next thing we know,our shameless forumer "the Bear" will be coming in n defend n bootlick his one n only master LKY.Everytime a country goes into chaos,there will definitely be some "Jian Ren"(Selfish bad Eunuch) who would do anything to help the dictator ruin the country even further just for the sake of their own benefit.
This kind of fuking bootlicking shits are even worse than the dictator himself.Coz they will keep "comforting n assuring" the dictator that everything he does is right n mislead the dictator to do more wrong thing.
I can tell u all,when these bunch of "Jian Ren" dies,God will certainly open another Hell more suffering than torturing the dictator for these bunch of fuking Eunuch!!!!
It is very wrong and unfair for him to compare his salary with that of the corporate world. He is a public "servant", politics is different from the corporate world. The corporate world cut down costs on travelling during this global financial crisis but old bloody lky and team never do so.
They always do the necessary when it comes to gaining selfish benefits for themselves.
Originally posted by laurence82 father:herzog,
why wanna build those stuff like nuclear fission?besides a kid from usa did it once at home in his basement.
hey herzog...just cuz the industries yu have been in are those cock types and phasing out type of process.
they have production lines in spore thats able to produce $1 billiion / year in a space half a football field.all with robots and process all that dont require human intervention.all doing production.all assembling faster and better than china or any human alive every day!in that kinda production line which have been in existence for decades.....no humans ever needed except for loading of materials and random QC checks.....they are way faster than any human in production....and they are way cheaper as u dun need to pay robots salary. SO WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN THE PAST.....WE ARE ALREADY FASTER,BETTER AND CHEAPER!WHAT U WANT??GET RID OF THE ROBOTS AND REPLACE THEM WITH SLOWER HUMAN FOREIGNERS?
thing is you dont even often see this in the USA where it was designed and manufactured so if u have werked in a cock production line that needs plenty human intervention then...........well....at least ya have a job that pays the bills....
but if u insists to get a robot to design a nuclear fission or fusion for u, i can design it for you once i do the uranium refinement process properly...but do ya have that kinda cash??.but why do u need to do nuclear when theres wind power or wave powered?
they arent interested in wanting to do a faster,cheaper and better job kinda story....its the cpf contributions from the 6 million people..they already have faster ,cheaper and better production lines in spore donkey years ago!
As I posted earlier: You are having delusions, PAP just want to keep sucking.
This will be a global laughing stock at Singapore Govt for taking so much and Singaporean if we continue to vote them in the house......
Originally posted by angel7030:The collective agreement already justified that when GDP goes up in an export orientation economy like us, it mean that profit increased, therefore we judge it as well done, and when you done well, you should be rewarded, that is the rule of the game.
As i said before, our govt being so flexible that they are able to cut 20% of their paid during the deep financial crisis, took the lead in encouraging many management to cut thier pay, so now a bit of few percentage increase just to get an even out, which certainly not an increase if you consider the 20% cut earlier. So what is the big deal here? Constipation again??
What the fuck are you craping about A ...."Collective Agreement"
Did you vote for the collective agreement? Was there a unions to negociate? was there a public referendum for the minister salaries ? So what Collective Agreement are you referring to? It is nothing but a million dollar clubs....
You maybe happy with 20% cut but in the real world they would be "FIRED from the job"
The problem or reason is see is that they have been under-challenged since beginning.
look at mobile market. with more players, the consumers benefit. they have choices.
without ...
In short, its obvious that the People are responsible - they are unable to produce a viable alternative. Come what may, we continue to accept. Many smart ones have migrated ,cashing out. kaching!
Originally posted by Arapahoe:What the fuck are you craping about A ...."Collective Agreement"
Did you vote for the collective agreement? Was there a unions to negociate? was there a public referendum for the minister salaries ? So what Collective Agreement are you referring to? It is nothing but a million dollar clubs....
You maybe happy with 20% cut but in the real world they would be "FIRED from the job"
alamak, why so angry leh?? only a discussion mah, haiz, singaporeans, so stoopid one, alway angry for nothing. And also, alway aim at the wrong thing...never aim high one.
The collective agreement is for Public sector lah, the agreement specified that Bonuses and Pay increment must tight with real GDP growth, that is the KPI that they must work on and strive to excel on it. The Public sector unions such as the amlgamated union of the public employees, HDB staff unions, all GLC employees unions, ministers and all other civil servant's together agreed on this formula of taking GDP as the benchmark of their performances.
Cool now leh...little bit thing only want to scold people liao. How to talk??
As i said before, Shareholders can opt to remove the CEOs, citizens as stakeholders of this country can also opt to remove the govt, but so far, nothing happen leh. So, it gives them a mandate to executive their executive orders for the sake of Singapore, singapore people can be stupid, but certainly not a fool, if things dun go well, they know who to vote for, but if oppositions are those lousy lousy type, kind of 1 good and 10 lousy type, we also got no choice. Just like when i send my car for servicing, going to agent is very expensive, outside shops is more cheaper, but i see outside those ah seng and ah kow way of working, i hv doubt in their skill and experiences, so i still take on the agent, tho it can burn a hole in my Versace Bag, but you got guarantee and also feel more comfortable. YOu understand!!! stay calm and cool ok. Scolding and talking big dun win you anything.
Originally posted by angel7030:alamak, why so angry leh?? only a discussion mah, haiz, singaporeans, so stoopid one, alway angry for nothing. And also, alway aim at the wrong thing...never aim high one.
The collective agreement is for Public sector lah, the agreement specified that Bonuses and Pay increment must tight with real GDP growth, that is the KPI that they must work on and strive to excel on it. The Public sector unions such as the amlgamated union of the public employees, HDB staff unions, all GLC employees unions, ministers and all other civil servant's together agreed on this formula of taking GDP as the benchmark of their performances.
Cool now leh...little bit thing only want to scold people liao. How to talk??
As i said before, Shareholders can opt to remove the CEOs, citizens as stakeholders of this country can also opt to remove the govt, but so far, nothing happen leh. So, it gives them a mandate to executive their executive orders for the sake of Singapore, singapore people can be stupid, but certainly not a fool, if things dun go well, they know who to vote for, but if oppositions are those lousy lousy type, kind of 1 good and 10 lousy type, we also got no choice.
Collective agreement or just some rules set by a few people on top? Was there even a choice to agree or reject by the majority of civil sector or public? Did the general public clapped hands and agreed when ministers' increase their own pay by a few hundred %, by themselves for themselves??
Enconomy has barely recovered and they're so gan chiong to raise back their own pay, yet tell people to be cheaper & faster.
Regarding the mandate, as said many times before, fear tatics, unfair advantages for ruling party are being used here and many people still do not dare to vote for opposition even if they think opposition are capable. It is not the same as shareholders voting for CEOs.
Want true mandate, remove the serial numbers on the votes. If they still win majority of the seats, then everyone will shut up automatically.
Originally posted by Chyeo1979:Collective agreement or just some rules set by a few people on top? Was there even a choice to agree or reject by the majority of civil sector or public? Did the general public clapped hands and agreed when ministers' increase their own pay by a few hundred %, by themselves for themselves??
Enconomy has barely recovered and they're so gan chiong to raise back their own pay, yet tell people to be cheaper & faster.
Regarding the mandate, as said many times before, fear tatics, unfair advantages for ruling party are being used here and many people still do not dare to vote for opposition even if they think opposition are capable. It is not the same as shareholders voting for CEOs.
Want true mandate, remove the serial numbers on the votes. If they still win majority of the seats, then everyone will shut up automatically.
What collective got to do with the public?? every reputated organisation sure to have collective agreement, it is good to have, at least it stand as a referee in any dispute.
They are talking about it, doen't mean they will raise it, and in fact, if raise it and dun let you know it, you also dunno and blur blur rite??? so why pursue a blank wall issue??
If you look at it, it is human nature that people will do their uptmost to protect their power and rite, same goes to you. In another word, people are territory creature, and if want a part of that territory, you need struggle with the ruler, no two ways about it. And as the ruler, he/she will also his/her uptmost to protect and hold forte his/her territory. Given added advantage as the choosen one, with the consitutional rights mandated, they will certainly use all their might to push you off. This is human nature.
Originally posted by Chyeo1979:Collective agreement or just some rules set by a few people on top? Was there even a choice to agree or reject by the majority of civil sector or public? Did the general public clapped hands and agreed when ministers' increase their own pay by a few hundred %, by themselves for themselves??
Enconomy has barely recovered and they're so gan chiong to raise back their own pay, yet tell people to be cheaper & faster.
Regarding the mandate, as said many times before, fear tatics, unfair advantages for ruling party are being used here and many people still do not dare to vote for opposition even if they think opposition are capable. It is not the same as shareholders voting for CEOs.
Want true mandate, remove the serial numbers on the votes. If they still win majority of the seats, then everyone will shut up automatically.
What collective got to do with the public?? every reputated organisation sure to have collective agreement, it is good to have, at least it stand as a referee in any dispute.
They are talking about it, doen't mean they will raise it, and in fact, if raise it and dun let you know it, you also dunno and blur blur rite??? so why pursue a blank wall issue??
If you look at it, it is human nature that people will do their uptmost to protect their power and rite, same goes to you. In another word, people are territory creature, and if want a part of that territory, you need struggle with the ruler, no two ways about it. And as the ruler, he/she will also his/her uptmost to protect and hold forte his/her territory. Given added advantage as the choosen one, with the consitutional rights mandated, they will certainly use all their might to push you off. This is human nature. nothing