Ruling Party OR Opposition ?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
Lam Pah! You are aiming to marry a wussy or had already married one because you are a total farking wuss.
Nope, you're wrong. I'm not married and I will NEVER marry a wussy Singaporean male.But I have rejected countless Singaporean wussies though ....
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Originally posted by parn:
Nope, you're wrong. I'm not married and I will NEVER marry a wussy Singaporean male.But I have rejected countless Singaporean wussies though ....
The real issue here is that you are a wuss... Period... End of message.... -
Originally posted by parn:
So fierce, got bullet somemore....Don't shoot me ok? Cos I will so beg for mercy ~
Cos you are a wuss without brains due to brains being shot out.Come on, show that you at least got brains the same size as your boobies and not the size of a small pea.
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
The real issue here is that you are a wuss... Period... End of message....
That's your own belief and I'm not going to argue on that.I also want to tell you what I believe in you ... but too bad cos it's Fullstop .. End of message too ~
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
The real issue here is that you are a wuss... Period... End of message....
So all your other issues aren't real?Luckily I don't have to worry about your bullet cos you're just acting fierce ~
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Originally posted by parn:
I believe this only happens to Singaporean guys who thinks they are smart and logical, but they are actually very emotional guys.They acted high and mighty when they are going after girls, then become pussies when they are married.
No wonder their wives looked down upon them, why did we married these useless retared wimpy wussies?
Why didn't our Wuss-Dar alert us about these potential wussies?
I just find it hideously funny really.
Men can think up of all kinds of elaborate and sarcastic insults, all you have to do is harp on the masculinity and you pretty much win the fight.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I just find it hideously funny really.
Men can think up of all kinds of elaborate and sarcastic insults, all you have to do is harp on the masculinity and you pretty much win the fight.
Ok, I'll try my best not to chu my powah next time.But make sure the logics are original and not hiding behind someone elses' logic.
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BAKA !
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Originally posted by parn:
I have already help you to answer your questions, even though they may not be what you had expected or searching for.You must also understand and accept that your referred "study" is done by subjective humans.
I know what you are saying are all derived and adopted from the PAP education system, and I don't blame you for that.
But I would encourage you to use your own eyes to see the real world please.
Maybe when you can see the world with your own eyes and ignore all the widely distributed propaganda studies/reports/references, then and only then are you able to lead a discussion or even have an exchange of true opinions.
There is no point if you can only stand behind other people's work, only to realised that you have wasted your lives defending othet people's fabricated lies.
I'm not expecting you to completely agree with me, but please don't allow gender to become a hindering factor.
I have to correct you. You TRIED to answer the questions, but most 'answers', you skirted the issue. When I asked about justification of the leaders' pay for instance, and it's not wrong since taxpayers fund the leaders' pay (just as shareholders fund the CEO's pay), you instead answer why do they need to justify to me. And when I explained to you why there is a need to justify, you start off on another topic (who serve leaders...)
In essence, your answers are much like the PAP's, always skirting around issues and not answering them (Becoz they don't have the answer), and attempting to cause even more confusion. It's not what an honest Govt will do, throwing smoke grenades and changing topics such as what you do.
2nd, I presume you are outside of Singapore, seeing the way you view with contempt Singapore males, and the way you seemed to think that Singapore males like myself have not seen the world. On the contrary, I am also outside of Singapore, and I have worked in many parts of the world, so probably I would have seen the world as much as you. That is the reason why I can ask penetrating questions, questions that pro-PAP supporters cannot answer (and skirt the issue like you did)
3rd, Studies and statistics have certain amounts of truth in them (and I accept your point about studies being subjective). But to reject studies blatantly, is tentamount to you telling me you do not believe in Science (Since Science uses observations and experiments and statistics to come to conclusions). This is perhaps something you yourself need to reflect, instead of me.
I do not doubt the efficiency and productivity of Singapore (as what the study said). I have been to parts of the world where it takes days or weeks or months for someone to come back when you have issues with a product or service. Singapore is one of the fastest and most efficient countries in the world. I dare say even more efficient than USA. And who is at the core of this reputation? Singaporeans.
Finally, it's in your own delusion that you think I ever bothered whether you are a female or male. To me, a female and male has equal rights to debate issues, and never once did I bring gender into the picture to shut you up (kindly acknowledge that). It was you that started making comments about gender, of what you think of Singapore males.
In fact, I rarely ever bother to find out the gender of each forum member here, coz it's not important, and everyone has an equal right to express themselves.
At the end of the day, are you having anti-Singapore sentiments due to your contempt with males, that you reject the notion that Singapore has top workers in productivity? Then I wonder if you ever ask yourself, are you a rebel, and are you THE WRONG rebel that you have come to despise, to regard Singaporeans with so much contempt?
I am PROUD to be a Singaporean, and I am proud to fly the Singapore flag in another country, to continue spreading the Singapore brand. How about you?
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Originally posted by parn:
Ok, I'll try my best not to chu my powah next time.But make sure the logics are original and not hiding behind someone elses' logic.
Kindly not allow gender to become a hindering factor in discussions. I would give you the same advice as what you gave me.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I would think the most important lesson you would learn from your wife is that there's no point trying to argue with a woman.
Your intention is to score a logical victory, her intention is keep talking until you just don't know what to respond with next.
My dear friend,
You are actually one of the forumers I like, coz your postings are logical, observant, and with much reflection.
On the above, I just would like to comment, that probably the only woman whom I will compromise to, is my wife. But at most times, I would also debate with my wife, and most times we debate based on logic. Only at times when she becomes emotional, will I compromise. But there are times I am emotional as well...
It doesn't matter the gender of who I debate with, so long as he or she can look at things logically and have the capability of observation and reflection.
You cannot deny that there are male posters here that do not have much logic as well, and just keep posting nonsense until you do not know what to reply, right? (read lionnoisy and xtreyier)
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
My dear friend,
You are actually one of the forumers I like, coz your postings are logical, observant, and with much reflection.
On the above, I just would like to comment, that probably the only woman whom I will compromise to, is my wife. But at most times, I would also debate with my wife, and most times we debate based on logic. Only at times when she becomes emotional, will I compromise. But there are times I am emotional as well...
It doesn't matter the gender of who I debate with, so long as he or she can look at things logically and have the capability of observation and reflection.
You cannot deny that there are male posters here that do not have much logic as well, and just keep posting nonsense until you do not know what to reply, right? (read lionnoisy and xtreyier)
Then i can only say you're extremely lucky to have a wife like that. Or that i have not been lucky enough to meet a woman like that.
I have little interest in bringing gender into discussions, it's pointless and brings no real value into discussions.Stupidity spans across genders, i just butted into this thread since someone decided to keep using it as a distraction.
Of course i don't deny there are stupid males but i just wanted to point out that male and females tend to present their stupidity in a slightly different manner.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Then i can only say you're extremely lucky to have a wife like that. Or that i have not been lucky enough to meet a woman like that.
I have little interest in bringing gender into discussions, it's pointless and brings no real value into discussions.Stupidity spans across genders, i just butted into this thread since someone decided to keep using it as a distraction.
Of course i don't deny there are stupid males but i just wanted to point out that male and females tend to present their stupidity in a slightly different manner.
I have to very much agree with you on that (stupidity being displayed in different manners)
We are very much on agreement then :)
I am trying to let her see that she is committing the very same mistake she advised me not to commit (letting gender blind the discussion). Whether she sees that or denies that, doesn't concern me. It's for her own good, not mine.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I have to correct you. You TRIED to answer the questions, but most 'answers', you skirted the issue. When I asked about justification of the leaders' pay for instance, and it's not wrong since taxpayers fund the leaders' pay (just as shareholders fund the CEO's pay), you instead answer why do they need to justify to me. And when I explained to you why there is a need to justify, you start off on another topic (who serve leaders...)
In essence, your answers are much like the PAP's, always skirting around issues and not answering them (Becoz they don't have the answer), and attempting to cause even more confusion. It's not what an honest Govt will do, throwing smoke grenades and changing topics such as what you do.
2nd, I presume you are outside of Singapore, seeing the way you view with contempt Singapore males, and the way you seemed to think that Singapore males like myself have not seen the world. On the contrary, I am also outside of Singapore, and I have worked in many parts of the world, so probably I would have seen the world as much as you. That is the reason why I can ask penetrating questions, questions that pro-PAP supporters cannot answer (and skirt the issue like you did)
3rd, Studies and statistics have certain amounts of truth in them (and I accept your point about studies being subjective). But to reject studies blatantly, is tentamount to you telling me you do not believe in Science (Since Science uses observations and experiments and statistics to come to conclusions). This is perhaps something you yourself need to reflect, instead of me.
I do not doubt the efficiency and productivity of Singapore (as what the study said). I have been to parts of the world where it takes days or weeks or months for someone to come back when you have issues with a product or service. Singapore is one of the fastest and most efficient countries in the world. I dare say even more efficient than USA. And who is at the core of this reputation? Singaporeans.
Finally, it's in your own delusion that you think I ever bothered whether you are a female or male. To me, a female and male has equal rights to debate issues, and never once did I bring gender into the picture to shut you up (kindly acknowledge that). It was you that started making comments about gender, of what you think of Singapore males.
In fact, I rarely ever bother to find out the gender of each forum member here, coz it's not important, and everyone has an equal right to express themselves.
At the end of the day, are you having anti-Singapore sentiments due to your contempt with males, that you reject the notion that Singapore has top workers in productivity? Then I wonder if you ever ask yourself, are you a rebel, and are you THE WRONG rebel that you have come to despise, to regard Singaporeans with so much contempt?
I am PROUD to be a Singaporean, and I am proud to fly the Singapore flag in another country, to continue spreading the Singapore brand. How about you?
I'm fine with my own opinions and what you have written if that is just the way you are.But I don't feel like I must correct you or even the need to waste my time to explain myself to you even though you are incorrect in many ways.
What is important for me is to share my opinions, and what you think doesn't really matter to me because it seems like you are the one with alot of questions and I had the answers.
Despite after I've answered all your questions, I don't get a word of appreciation and out of nowhere, I have to babysit and explain my opinions to you because you are dissatisfied with my answers and with your I-think-I've-found-a-fatal-flaw syndrome.
Please don't waste my time by repeatedly asking me to give you some form of recognition just because you happened to come across someone elses' subjective piece of rubbish "study". If you are a kindergarten kid and I'm your teacher, maybe I will give you a star. But you are not a kindergarten kid, so I hope you can behave in a mature manner and don't act childish with me. This is not going to get my good attention because I will only give attention to you if I feel that you deserved it.
And which part of your initial post includes productivity and efficiency? If you have failed to include them in your initial post, then it's too bad for you if you didn't ask me in the first place.
Believe in Science, but do not believe in Studies because they are products of subjective works. And also be wiser next time and don't try to compare Science with Studies.
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Originally posted by parn:
I'm fine with my own opinions and what you have written if that is just the way you are.But I don't feel like I must correct you or even the need to waste my time to explain myself to you even though you are incorrect in many ways.
What is important for me is to share my opinions, and what you think doesn't really matter to me because it seems like you are the one with alot of questions and I had the answers.
Despite after I've answered all your questions, I don't get a word of appreciation and out of nowhere, I have to babysit and explain my opinions to you because you are dissatisfied with my answers and with your I-think-I've-found-a-fatal-flaw syndrome.
Please don't waste my time by repeatedly asking me to give you some form of recognition just because you happened to come across someone elses' subjective piece of rubbish "study". If you are a kindergarten kid and I'm your teacher, maybe I will give you a star. But you are not a kindergarten kid, so I hope you can behave in a mature manner and don't act childish with me. This is not going to get my good attention because I will only give attention to you if I feel that you deserved it.
And which part of your initial post includes productivity and efficiency? If you have failed to include them in your initial post, then it's too bad for you if you didn't ask me in the first place.
Believe in Science, but do not believe in Studies because they are products of subjective works. And also be wiser next time and don't try to compare Science with Studies.
Dear parn,
I have acknowledged your response, and as I said previously, I do not appreciate your answers, because you skirt issues, very much like what our govt does.
And I have also acknowledged your point on studies being subjective, I have yet to see you acknowledge that never once did I bring gender into the picture to shut you up just coz I disagree with you. Appreciation goes both ways, so far, you have demanded, but you have not done it on your end.
Some things I wish to correct you:
- Studies ARE a part of Science. An example, have you heard "Institute of Health Studies"? http://www.iihs.ca/index.htm
- I spoke about a study that ranked Singapore workers tops in productivity. You were the one who made comments about Singaporeans being not able to compete with foreigners, and then start 'advising' me not to believe such studies.
By the way, I don't need your attention. If you feel you don't wish to debate, then just make your point known. I am here to debate and discuss issues with people. Attention is not something I need, since I am more than confident in what I do in my life, neither do I need to seek your attention, since I am not interested in whether you are a female or not.
Kindly not allow gender hinder discussions. You should really look at your own words carefully.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Kindly not allow gender to become a hindering factor in discussions. I would give you the same advice as what you gave me.
I think the problem lies with you because you do not know how to interact with others politely.If you have asked someone to answer your questions, say it nicely and there's no need to say things like "so far, nobody has dared to reply my questions". It's not necessary and only ended up making you sound arrogant about it.
I saw your simple questions and I thought this is really nothing much to be arrogant about and certainly your attitude in that post is unnecessary if you are truly confident with yourself.
And if you has asked someone to answer your questions, do not assume or even imagine yourself as the interrogator or even the teacher because you are the one with all the questions marks (???).
Show some appreciation when someone bothers to spend some time to reply to your questions and be gracious and prepared to accept their opinions no matter how harsh or hurtful they may be. If you're not prepared to do so, by all means please keep your questions to yourself and do not behave in an ungrateful and unreasonable manner and start finding faults in other people's opinions. Remember, it's their opinions and not yours and it doesn't belong to you and neither do they owe you anything by helping you with your questions.
Bottomline, respect other people's opinions if you had asked for their opinions. Show gratitude if someone bothers to give you some of their attention.
If you are unable to do all that, and continue to be pushy and unreasonable in your attitude, then soon you will find nobody would want to help you out with your questions and nobody would even bother to waste their time on your posts.
And I can guarantee it's definitely not because nobody dared to reply to your questions, but because you are have very poor understanding about how to have an effective interaction with other people.
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To cut short Rage's long winded questions, these are the main points he raised and assumes to claim seeking for answers.
1.What is the 'justification' of high pay (?) for ministers?
2.What is the 'justification' of 'opening our doors SO FULLY'(?) to foriegn labour
3.What is the 'justification' of continous (?) cost of living?
4.What is the 'justification' of telling 40YRS OLD they are 'MORE STUPID?"(?)
5.What is the 'justification' OF INCREASES IN RENTAL for upgraded hawker centre rental?
6.Rage is concerned with the 'suffering' of locals against MASSIVE INFLUX(?) OF FOREIGNERS, and losing national identity.
7. Rage still dares claim he is PROUD to be a Singaporean, and am proud to fly the Singapore flag in another country, to continue spreading the Singapore brand.
8. And after what he had written, he even dares cite some male posters as not having logic?No, there is no sense in debating with an egoistical fool like him.
He seeks not answers to his queries. He has NO intention of listening to others opinions, answers which had LONG been given both officially and unofficaily through media channels and even blogs.
Every answer given would be 'nonsense' or 'skirting' to his mind that is already cast in stone.
He had not shown any openess to others view, except that he is right, rational, intelligent and etc, and everyone else is wrong, proven by his numerous subjective and egoistical posts in reply to others who disagrees with him, and would not hesitate to deride them senselessly.
Is there any further point to even discuss, let alone debate?
Nope, better let him live with his delusions, his Mahattiar styled tongue twisting 'chest thumping of being proud to be singaporean yet incapable of accepting society's harmony and acceptance thru our free vote for our national administrative policies.
He may be able to 'pull wool over others eyes', fool the lower educated and the dissatisfied, but unfortunately, singapore is no longer the unedcated population of the 60s
I do think 'Senseless Rage' would be a more appropriate nick for him, based on his presentation style, but of course, a choice up to him to make and for others to freely use when required
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Originally posted by parn:
I think the problem lies with you because you do not know how to interact with others politely.If you have asked someone to answer your questions, say it nicely and there's no need to say things like "so far, nobody has dared to reply my questions". It's not necessary and only ended up making you sound arrogant about it.
I saw your simple questions and I thought this is really nothing much to be arrogant about and certainly your attitude in that post is unnecessary if you are truly confident with yourself.
And if you has asked someone to answer your questions, do not assume or even imagine yourself as the interrogator or even the teacher because you are the one with all the questions marks (???).
Show some appreciation when someone bothers to spend some time to reply to your questions and be gracious and prepared to accept their opinions no matter how harsh or hurtful they may be. If you're not prepared to do so, by all means please keep your questions to yourself and do not behave in an ungrateful and unreasonable manner and start finding faults in other people's opinions. Remember, it's their opinions and not yours and it doesn't belong to you and neither do they owe you anything by helping you with your questions.
Bottomline, respect other people's opinions if you had asked for their opinions. Show gratitude if someone bothers to give you some of their attention.
If you are unable to do all that, and continue to be pushy and unreasonable in your attitude, then soon you will find nobody would want to help you out with your questions and nobody would even bother to waste their time on your posts.
And I can guarantee it's definitely not because nobody dared to reply to your questions, but because you are have very poor understanding about how to have an effective interaction with other people.
*shrugs*, when you point a finger at me, watch out for those pointing back at yourself. Kindly look at how your posts generalize singapore males. If I am rude, I wonder what you are
It's quite sad.
If you cannot respect that a Singaporean male can discuss issues with you, then just be gamely to admit it, and not go round circles to make unreasonable conclusions.
So far, I have not seen an act of logic from you, such as acknowledging that studies are a part of Science.
I view you hopefully as someone who is sensible, not someone else who says "Statistics is NOT Science", and to date, has not admitted it, and is going around like a raging maniac in this forums
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
To cut short Rage's long winded questions, these are the main points he raised and assumes to claim seeking for answers.
1.What is the 'justification' of high pay (?) for ministers?
2.What is the 'justification' of 'opening our doors SO FULLY'(?) to foriegn labour
3.What is the 'justification' of continous (?) cost of living?
4.What is the 'justification' of telling 40YRS OLD they are 'MORE STUPID?"(?)
5.What is the 'justification' OF INCREASES IN RENTAL for upgraded hawker centre rental?
6.Rage is concerned with the 'suffering' of locals against MASSIVE INFLUX(?) OF FOREIGNERS, and losing national identity.
7. Rage still dares claim he is PROUD to be a Singaporean, and am proud to fly the Singapore flag in another country, to continue spreading the Singapore brand.
8. And after what he had written, he even dares cite some male posters as not having logic?No, there is no sense in debating with an egoistical fool like him.
He seeks not answers to his queries. He has NO intention of listening to others opinions, answers which had LONG been given both officially and unofficaily through media channels and even blogs.
Every answer given would be 'nonsense' or 'skirting' to his mind that is already cast in stone.
He had not shown any openess to others view, except that he is right, rational, intelligent and etc, and everyone else is wrong, proven by his numerous subjective and egoistical posts in reply to others who disagrees with him, and would not hesitate to deride them senselessly.
Is there any further point to even discuss, let alone debate?
Nope, better let him live with his delusions, his Mahattiar styled tongue twisting 'chest thumping of being proud to be singaporean yet incapable of accepting society's harmony and acceptance thru our free vote for our national administrative policies.
He may be able to 'pull wool over others eyes', fool the lower educated and the dissatisfied, but unfortunately, singapore is no longer the unedcated population of the 60s
I do think 'Senseless Rage' would be a more appropriate nick for him, based on his presentation style, but of course, a choice up to him to make and for others to freely use when required
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First time reading your posts in this forum.
All of your posts are nice in writing, with good english in them. You write good compos but they are mostly shallow which shows that u do not use ur brain when typing. (Or u do not have one). I still remember one of your posts which starts with sentence like this "A singaporean starts work at age 21 monthly pay $2000" just shows how shallow you are. You probably haven't started work outside and havent gone out to the real world just yet. Stop your personal attacks.
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Originally posted by mlmersrlosers:
First time reading your posts in this forum.
All of your posts are nice in writing, with good english in them. You write good compos but they are mostly shallow which shows that u do not use ur brain when typing. (Or u do not have one). I still remember one of your posts which starts with sentence like this "A singaporean starts work at age 21 monthly pay $2000" just shows how shallow you are. You probably haven't started work outside and havent gone out to the real world just yet. Stop your personal attacks.
I am in awe that someone actually acknowledges reading my posts! Thank you for your compliments and your impressions and perceptions of me of which I have no control over and which is your full entitlement of opinions, as is your right which i will never deny and I would even defend you over it.
I shall endeavour to take your advice on your perceived 'personal attacks' coming from me. I will not ask you to do the same when such personal attacks are leveled against me, for i am responsible for what i write, come what may, but I would sincerly hope you would do the same for others, regardless of friends or foes, whom had been constantly attacked senselessly by others, almost everyday, which only sickens this forum and deny others the right to speak freely.
Cheers!
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
I am in awe that someone actually acknowledges reading my posts! Thank you for your compliments and your impressions and perceptions of me of which I have no control over and which is your full entitlement of opinions, as is your right which i will never deny and I would even defend you over it.
I shall endeavour to take your advice on your perceived 'personal attacks' coming from me. I will not ask you to do the same when such personal attacks are leveled against me, for i am responsible for what i write, come what may, but I would sincerly hope you would do the same for others, regardless of friends or foes, whom had been constantly attacked senselessly by others, almost everyday, which only sickens this forum and deny others the right to speak freely.
Cheers!
Peace
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Originally posted by angel3070:
That is a good slogan for elections.
I hope opposition takes note.
Social divide is inevitable, voting against PAP is also inevitable. -
Singaporean have no alternatives, only PAP.Because
1) Singapore have GRC. PAP will varies the no of MP in GRC like a ice cube. The hotest the contest in a GRC, the biggger the GPC and more MPs and more Ice cubes.
2) Most Singaporean works for others. The bankers and accountants dont take risk and offend the government. The business people dont care because the good one already work for PAP and remaining probably dont have the education and merit that Singaporean will vote.
3) We are not Japanese.
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