Singapore a communist country soon?
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PAP is so pro-USA, why would USA launch a coup here?
Thats why im waiting for Lee Kuan Yew to die.
Once that fella is dead,we must overthrow the corrupt government and the ISD with the help of the Americans.
They only overthrow regimes that do not kowtow to their agenda.
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3836/William-Blum-Killing-Hope
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/27/1428212 -
"In 1987 twenty-two English-educated professionals were arrested under the Internal Security Act for their alleged involvement in a Marxist group organized to subvert the government from within and promote the establishment of a communist government. For reasons unknown, the Marxist group had no name or organizational structure. The government accused those arrested of joining student, religious, and political organizations in order to disseminate Marxist literature and promote antigovernment activities. Although twenty-one of the twenty-two persons arrested were released later that year after agreeing to refrain from political activities, eight were rearrested in 1988 for failing to keep this pledge. According to a 1989 Amnesty International report, two persons were being detained in prison without trial under Section 8 of the 1960 Internal Security Act. This number represented a significant reduction from the estimated fifty political prisoners held in 1980 (see Political Opposition, ch. 4)."
There is obviously more to meet the eye.
I suspect that Lee Kuan Yew brought in the Marxist people in order to restructure the PAP's communist-democracy ideology.
When they refuse to leave singapore after that and threatened to notify the CIA,Lee Kuan Yew turn the tables on them by calling the ISD in.Of Course,the news were censored by the ISD editor inside the Straits Time. -
seriously, i hardly believe that the government is corrupt. i may not be pro-govt but i dun believe in making unsubstantiated statements.Originally posted by ceecookie:Thats why im waiting for Lee Kuan Yew to die.
Once that fella is dead,we must overthrow the corrupt government and the ISD with the help of the Americans.
also, i honestly believe that LKY has done a whole lot of good for this country. there are bound to be things that we do not agree with, but his paternalistic style of rule has been the basis of our current prosperity. seriously, when you speak to people from other countries, esp our neighbouring countries, you will know how blessed we are.
the one thing that well all have to accept is that he is after all human, he has his failings, only difference is that his life and actions will be under more public scrutiny be more heavily criticised than the average minister's. personally, i have a lot of respect for the man and what he has done, especially considering the resources he had to work with. however, i do believe that certain policies have been inadequately implemented and managed, and i accept that it is not wholly his fault. -
"In 1996, when Law married his Singaporean business partner in a lavish, well-publicized Rangoon wedding, guests from Singapore were flown in on two chartered planes. According to a high-level US government official familiar with the situation, Law's wife Cecilia Ng operates an underground banking system, and "is a contact for people in Burma to get their drug money into Singapore, because she has a connection to the government." The official said that she spends half her time in Rangoon, half in Singapore; when in Rangoon, she is headquartered at Asia Lite, a subsidiary of Asia World. The husband-wife team are also the sole officers and shareholders of Asia World subsidiary, Kokang Singapore Pte Ltd. Founded in Singapore in 1993 with $4.6 million, the company "engages in general trading activities in goods/products of all kinds/descriptions."
Which a percentage of the drug money has been transferred to the corrupt PAP's Swiss Bank Account.
Apparently Lee Kuan Yew knows of the foreign CIA-FBI interception against the Burma money.
"The FBI is investigating complaints by US citizens of harassment by Singapore's Internal Security Department (ISD). One California academic, a widely respected specialist on Southeast Asian affairs who asked not to be identified, says ISD agents broke into his home because he was working to bring leading Singaporean opposition figure Tang Liang Hong to an American university. The operatives tore out his door handle to get in, then searched his computer and desk. A week later, an Asian man, waiting in a tree, photographed and videotaped the academic while he walked in the park. After temporarily blinding the academic with his bright flash, the man jumped from the tree and made a getaway in his car. Tang - who is facing a $4.5 million defamation lawsuit by Singaporean senior ministers - was not surprised by the burglary. "I've been followed everywhere, whether I was in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Australia or in London," he said in a phone interview from Australia."
The lawsuit is a mere legal cover to the Singapore public in order to prevent the knowledge of internal corruption.
"Singaporean companies have also helped suppress dissent in Burma by supplying the military with arms to use against its own people. The first shipment of guns and ammunition was delivered on October 6, 1988. Throughout the month, hundreds of boxes of mortars, ammunition, and other supplies marked "Allied Ordnance, Singapore" were unloaded from vessels in Rangoon. Allied Ordnance is a subsidiary of Chartered Industries of Singapore, the arms branch of Singapore Technologies - the same government-owned company which built the cyber-war center. The shipments also included rockets made by Chartered Industries of Singapore under license from a Swedish company and sold in violation of an agreement with Sweden requiring authorization for re-exports."
"Singapore companies have continued to supply Burma's military, sometimes acting as middlemen for arms from other countries. In 1989, Israel and Belgium delivered grenade launchers and anti-tank guns via Singapore. In 1992, Singapore violated the European Commission arms embargo on the Burmese regime by acting as a broker and arranging for a $1.5 million shipment of mortars from Portugal."
"It is highly unlikely that any of these shipments to Burma could have been made without the knowledge and support of the Singapore Government," wrote William Ashton in Jane's Intelligence Review. "By assisting with weapons sales, defense technology transfers, military training and intelligence cooperation, Singapore has been able to win a sympathetic hearing at the very heart of Burma's official councils."
And Of course,nothing appears in The Straits Time.
The CIA did make an counter-offensive into Singapore,but failed.
"1997, 1998, six arrested for involvement in espionage and foreign subversive activities" -
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Look deeper don't look at surface. You have been blinded and become the product that is produced by decade's work of local propaganda. Make it seems like done good to this country or done better to themselves?Originally posted by Othello_Red:seriously, i hardly believe that the government is corrupt. i may not be pro-govt but i dun believe in making unsubstantiated statements.
also, i honestly believe that LKY has done a whole lot of good for this country. there are bound to be things that we do not agree with, but his paternalistic style of rule has been the basis of our current prosperity. seriously, when you speak to people from other countries, esp our neighbouring countries, you will know how blessed we are.
the one thing that well all have to accept is that he is after all human, he has his failings, only difference is that his life and actions will be under more public scrutiny be more heavily criticised than the average minister's. personally, i have a lot of respect for the man and what he has done, especially considering the resources he had to work with. however, i do believe that certain policies have been inadequately implemented and managed, and i accept that it is not wholly his fault. -
And also,why did the North Korean send the number two leader to Singapore?As Lee Kuan Yew's an ally to North Korea,this trip was to transfer the funds(mostly from CPF) to North Korea as part of the top secret PAP-North Korean funding.
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Transfer the funds(mostly from CPF) to North Korea as part of the top secret PAP-North Korean funding? Where did get this source of information?Originally posted by ceecookie:And also,why did the North Korean send the number two leader to Singapore?As Lee Kuan Yew's an ally to North Korea,this trip was to transfer the funds(mostly from CPF) to North Korea as part of the top secret PAP-North Korean funding. -
haha,this part is my theory.Originally posted by (human):Transfer the funds(mostly from CPF) to North Korea as part of the top secret PAP-North Korean funding? Where did get this source of information?
But comeon,would North Korea come to sg for no reason
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Can you show us the source that when did North Korean send the number two leader to Singapore?Originally posted by ceecookie:haha,this part is my theory.
But comeon,would North Korea come to sg for no reason -
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/070802/5/singapore291630.htmlOriginally posted by (human):Can you show us the source that when did North Korean send the number two leader to Singapore? -
North Korea's regime is rotten, but I respect Kim Jong Il's skills in dealing with the USA.
He is quite shrewd to time his nuclear crisis saga when USA has embroiled themselves in Iraq and cannot deal with him.
Set a trap for USA and USA fell for it.
Kudos to Kim Jong Il for slapping USA in the face.
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it's always a trade-off. you can't have everything. the quality of life for the average citizen is better than most of out neighbouring countries at least.Originally posted by (human):Look deeper don't look at surface. You have been blinded and become the product that is produced by decade's work of local propaganda. Make it seems like done good to this country or done better to themselves?
in the end, i guess it's up to the individual. if one is content with turning a blind eye, then so be it. if one isn't, then it is up to that individual to decide on a course of action. one might actively oppose the government or do so passively.
frankly, i admit i'm turning a blind eye simply because of the lack of a better alternative to the current situation. i'll admit that i do enjoy the relative prosperity we currently have, and am trying to refrain from being too cynical about the government.
i do not agree with certain policies, ie that trials of capital offences being heard by only one judge, and the allowance of legislation preventing subversion to be valid even if it contradicts the constitution. but i have no inclination to challenge the current government simply because i do not believe strongly enough in the need to do so. -
Thanks for the link. But it did not report the agenda that he visited singapore, which i think might raise some speculation.Originally posted by ceecookie: -
North korea is existing today because China needs a bufferzone or needed a bufferzone.Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:North Korea's regime is rotton, but I respect Kim Jong Il's skills in dealing with the USA.
He is quite shrewd to time his nuclear crisis saga when USA has embroiled themselves in Iraq and cannot deal with him.
Set a trap for USA and USA fell for it.
Kudos to Kim Jong Il for slapping USA in the face. -
at least as of now, this thread is worth reading
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Yup we all can see that the bottom 90% is here to serve the top 10%Originally posted by (human):Singapore is wearing so called democracy clothing demostrating it to the world, but what is the actual skin inside the clothing? The shallow minded will only see the surface and not knowing and thinking what's beneath. -
Ah this remind me of North Korea.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Yup we all can see that the bottom 90% is here to serve the top 10%
Well they call themselve the DPRK right?
Democratic People's Republic Of Korea.
But they are communist.
The same thing goes for singapore.Singapore call herself democratic,but actually is communist too -
Singapore not Communist already ah?
Next, we are going to be sold to China, en bloc. -
The government would've have loved to ... They support the "one-china" policy ...Originally posted by maven2:Singapore not Communist already ah?
Next, we are going to be sold to China, en bloc. -
We're already being trained to not question and let the leaders do as they please. I think we won't have too much problem getting used to it.Originally posted by Trump_Card:The government would've have loved to ... They support the "one-china" policy ...
See. They had our welfare at heart.
Don't anyhow slander the government hor. -
North korea is existing today because China needs a bufferzone or needed a bufferzone.
Yes, but Kim Jong Il was shrewd enough to orchestrate the nuclear saga when USA was carrying out their plans to invade Iraq. USA was too busy dealing with Iraq and don't want unnecessary fighting with DPRK.
28 September 2002:
...In the meantime, the Bush administration on September 27 decided to send Bush's special envoy to Pyongyang on October 3-5 for the resumption of talks. Bush's decision came amid the recent positive developments on the Korean Peninsula...
...Seoul, Tokyo and Moscow warmly welcomed Bush's decision to send to Pyongyang his envoy James Kelly, assistant secretary of state for East Asia, to resume high-level bilateral talks...
...Indications are that Pyongyang is ready to amaze Washington, and the world, too, in the near future as the DPRK's top leader did in June 2000 and September 2002, in order to put an ultimate end to the only remaining Cold War structure in Northeast Asia...
http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/184th_issue/2002092801.htm
17 Oct 2002:
...North Korea has admitted to a secret programme to develop nuclear weapons using uranium, according to the US government.
The admission was made two weeks ago at a meeting in the North Korean capital, Pyongyang, between US assistant secretary of state for Asian affairs, James Kelly, and a senior North Korean government official, Kang Suk Ju...
http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn2938
16 Oct 2002:
Today I have signed into law H.J. Res. 114, a resolution "To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq."...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021016-11.html
Shrewd, Kim Jong Il, very shrewd. Bush now concentrate on Iraq, how to deal with your nukes? Very nice to "admit" your program to the USA.
Nice timing.
Kudos to the old fox Kim Jong Il. -
You do realise that, as a politician, he has to accounted for his failings, and just because the failings have been covered up by the Government doesn't mean they don't exist? By and far, no government is free of corruption, and the misuse of state apparatus to cover up failings and abuse of power, is itself corruption, which the PAP has been fairly guilty of.Originally posted by Othello_Red:seriously, i hardly believe that the government is corrupt. i may not be pro-govt but i dun believe in making unsubstantiated statements.
also, i honestly believe that LKY has done a whole lot of good for this country. there are bound to be things that we do not agree with, but his paternalistic style of rule has been the basis of our current prosperity. seriously, when you speak to people from other countries, esp our neighbouring countries, you will know how blessed we are.
the one thing that well all have to accept is that he is after all human, he has his failings, only difference is that his life and actions will be under more public scrutiny be more heavily criticised than the average minister's. personally, i have a lot of respect for the man and what he has done, especially considering the resources he had to work with. however, i do believe that certain policies have been inadequately implemented and managed, and i accept that it is not wholly his fault.
Gerrymeandering is by and far the most blatant of misuse of state apparatus. -
Just so you don't know, turning a blind eye one too often allows a Government to take liberties with your rights. If there's any constant in humanity that has existed since the dawn of history, it is Greed. Pretending Greed does not exist is akin to denying human nature.Originally posted by Othello_Red:it's always a trade-off. you can't have everything. the quality of life for the average citizen is better than most of out neighbouring countries at least.
in the end, i guess it's up to the individual. if one is content with turning a blind eye, then so be it. if one isn't, then it is up to that individual to decide on a course of action. one might actively oppose the government or do so passively.
frankly, i admit i'm turning a blind eye simply because of the lack of a better alternative to the current situation. i'll admit that i do enjoy the relative prosperity we currently have, and am trying to refrain from being too cynical about the government.
i do not agree with certain policies, ie that trials of capital offences being heard by only one judge, and the allowance of legislation preventing subversion to be valid even if it contradicts the constitution. but i have no inclination to challenge the current government simply because i do not believe strongly enough in the need to do so.
A lack of an alternative? Why, with the PAP in so much control of the electoral system, it will take sheer will of the people for there to be ever a rival political faction to ever emerge. If one is to adopt this defeatist attitude, be prepared for more abuses of power to come. -
i do realise that his failings have to be accounted for. frankly though, what i feel happening is that people have an image of him where he can do no wrong. don't get me wrong here, i'm not defending him. it's just that the benchmark he's being judged against seems impossibly high.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:You do realise that, as a politician, he has to accounted for his failings, and just because the failings have been covered up by the Government doesn't mean they don't exist? By and far, no government is free of corruption, and the misuse of state apparatus to cover up failings and abuse of power, is itself corruption, which the PAP has been fairly guilty of.
Gerrymeandering is by and far the most blatant of misuse of state apparatus.
also, i don't believe an government can be completely free of corruption. as long as humans do the job, corruption will always be there. the only saving grace is that corruption isn't prevalent.
lastly, i would really like to see more judicial activism in Singapore. the judges do seem to have a prima facie bias towards the govt. i really hope to see a judge willing to challenge certain myths regarding the govt.