Should same sex marriage be allowed in Singapore?
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it is down right disgusting!
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I think they did the right thing.Originally posted by MobyDog:Talking about this subject.. I was banned in an American Forum for being childish.. in just 3 post for disagreeing .. not exactly about Gay marriage but gays adopting a boy, Since Gay marriage is already legal there.
1) I quote that I disagreed that gay couple should be allowed to adopt a boy.
2) I quote that having a gay parents, being immediate peers, would influence the confused child, and chances is high that he will be a gay in the future.
3) I believe that a child can nurtured either way, and will be exposed to Necessarily.
For that, I got my mother cursed as a whore, then my mfather and brother cursed as a whore, labelled a troll, called an idiot and childish, and finally banned by the MOD. -
I can't believe that some would equate same-sex marriage with robber and murder. The analogy is ridiculous for reasons so obvious I will not point them out.
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Why should they not be allowed to adopt?Originally posted by MobyDog:Talking about this subject.. I was banned in an American Forum for being childish.. in just 3 post for disagreeing .. not exactly about Gay marriage but gays adopting a boy, Since Gay marriage is already legal there.
1) I quote that I disagreed that gay couple should be allowed to adopt a boy.
2) I quote that having a gay parents, being immediate peers, would influence the confused child, and chances is high that he will be a gay in the future.
3) I believe that a child can nurtured either way, and will be exposed to Necessarily.
For that, I got my mother cursed as a whore, then my mfather and brother cursed as a whore, labelled a troll, called an idiot and childish, and finally banned by the MOD.
I disagree. And in any case, if he wants to be gay, then that decision should be respected.
I dun understand this point of yours. I suspect, however, that it is more an elaboration of point 2?
I understand the concerens though for just because something isn't proven doesn't neccessarily mean it isn't true. Hence, perhaps same-sex marriage should be allowed with no rights of child adoption first.
In addition, I do not see why some would point out declining birth rates as a reason for not allowing same-sex marriages. If they are gays and lesbians, they are hardly going to enter into a heterosexual relationship to procreate are they? Or, if they do enter into a heterosexual relationship just to procreate, I would suggest that is hardly a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.
Further, technology and society is such today that there is no need for a partner to procreate. -
Really?Originally posted by dreameryb:The analogy is bad. People with homicidal tendencies endager the lives of other people in society and their acts should not be tolerated. Homosexuals are an innocuous group of people. Nobody gets hurt if same sex marriage is allowed. -
Yea...agree.Originally posted by scabstermooch:Why should they not be allowed to adopt?
I disagree. And in any case, if he wants to be gay, then that decision should be respected.
I dun understand this point of yours. I suspect, however, that it is more an elaboration of point 2?
I understand the concerens though for just because something isn't proven doesn't neccessarily mean it isn't true. Hence, perhaps same-sex marriage should be allowed with no rights of child adoption first.
In addition, I do not see why some would point out declining birth rates as a reason for not allowing same-sex marriages. If they are gays and lesbians, they are hardly going to enter into a heterosexual relationship to procreate are they? Or, if they do enter into a heterosexual relationship just to procreate, I would suggest that is hardly a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.
Further, technology and society is such today that there is no need for a partner to procreate.
It also goes to show how magnimous the society we are living in today. The discrimination that one could get for not following the norm. -
if i thrust a normal child into a gay and lesbian society, so you think he will grow up into a hetreosexual individual? i doubt so. Most will grow up to be homos.
Should we allow same sex marriage, children will grow up with the wrong concept of what is right and what is wrong. We will then have more gay couples than nature actually allocates.
Does anyone really think that the presence of a law will affect gay couples? they will still be living together whether or not u give them a marriage cert. the only difference is that we preserve what is curently right and not introduce any new ideology to corrupt the minds of our young.
I cant imagine my kids in future having to make a decision on whether to be gay or not.
It all boils down to opportunity costs. if i were a leader, and i were to choose between satisfying a small group of individuals as compared to preserving what is right and natural for our society, i would choose the latter.
Regardless of whatever shortcomings of our current leaders, i'm glad that they're sticking firm to their stance on this issure. -
It is NOT wrong to be a homo!Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:if i thrust a normal child into a gay and lesbian society, so you think he will grow up into a hetreosexual individual? i doubt so. Most will grow up to be homos.
Should we allow same sex marriage, children will grow up with the wrong concept of what is right and what is wrong. We will then have more gay couples than nature actually allocates.
Does anyone really think that the presence of a law will affect gay couples? they will still be living together whether or not u give them a marriage cert. the only difference is that we preserve what is curently right and not introduce any new ideology to corrupt the minds of our young.
I cant imagine my kids in future having to make a decision on whether to be gay or not.
It all boils down to opportunity costs. if i were a leader, and i were to choose between satisfying a small group of individuals as compared to preserving what is right and natural for our society, i would choose the latter.
Regardless of whatever shortcomings of our current leaders, i'm glad that they're sticking firm to their stance on this issure. -
Someone from a hetreosexual family aso can grow up to be gay wah.Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:if i thrust a normal child into a gay and lesbian society, so you think he will grow up into a hetreosexual individual? i doubt so. Most will grow up to be homos.
Should we allow same sex marriage, children will grow up with the wrong concept of what is right and what is wrong. We will then have more gay couples than nature actually allocates.
Does anyone really think that the presence of a law will affect gay couples? they will still be living together whether or not u give them a marriage cert. the only difference is that we preserve what is curently right and not introduce any new ideology to corrupt the minds of our young.
I cant imagine my kids in future having to make a decision on whether to be gay or not.
It all boils down to opportunity costs. if i were a leader, and i were to choose between satisfying a small group of individuals as compared to preserving what is right and natural for our society, i would choose the latter.
Regardless of whatever shortcomings of our current leaders, i'm glad that they're sticking firm to their stance on this issure.
Love is love. U can't control your heart when come to liking or falling in love with someone.Love in the highest form is formless, regarding u r old, ugly, fat, gay,bi, sexy. someone who love u accept who u r. what is wrong abt there?
What if my kids want to be gay? i could want them to be happy. If our society continue to be under developed in tolerance for homosexuality, gay or les have to continue to live their life in self-denial. I do not want my kids ( if they are to become gay ) to live their life fearing their own sexual nature and what they are. There are many people who are depressed over their sexual preferances which does not alight with society norms.
Personally, i feel society norms are bullcrap... if these norms stand on ur way in finding true happiness. Honestly, do u tink true happiness is easy to find?
For those who expressed disgusted over-i-don't-know-what.. pls rethink what these homo people have done to u.. -
It can't stay that way for long because it's a blatant double standard.Originally posted by scabstermooch:I understand the concerens though for just because something isn't proven doesn't neccessarily mean it isn't true. Hence, perhaps same-sex marriage should be allowed with no rights of child adoption first.
It's more than that...once gay mrriage is legalised you'll have to grant these couple the right to spousal tax relief, a place in HDB's priority queue, kids and other things associated with heterosexual couples.Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:Does anyone really think that the presence of a law will affect gay couples? they will still be living together whether or not u give them a marriage cert. the only difference is that we preserve what is curently right and not introduce any new ideology to corrupt the minds of our young.
Any thoughts on my P.O.V.?Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
I will not support it unless a 'Child Of Our Time'-style programme tracks and compares the development of children in heterosexual and homosexual marriages and shows that they're comparable. -
not legalising homosexual marriages does not equate to condeming them.Originally posted by Isis:What if my kids want to be gay? i could want them to be happy. If our society continue to be under developed in tolerance for homosexuality, gay or les have to continue to live their life in self-denial. I do not want my kids ( if they are to become gay ) to live their life fearing their own sexual nature and what they are. There are many people who are depressed over their sexual preferances which does not alight with society norms.
No one said homosexuals should be punished or be looked down on.
The thing is, legalising homsexual marriages will have an adverse effect on normal children and they might encounter problems with their sexuality which they would otherwise have been free of.
Like it or not, social norms do play an important role in the development of a child. there's a reason why boys play with cars and girls play with barbie dolls. It all boils down to the social norms.
it would be disastrous if children view homosexual marriages as acceptable and actually contemplate getting into one when they would have otherwise been hetreosexuals.
Homosexual acceptance is like a special order at mcdonalds. Society can change their mindset towards these homosexuals and occasionally the special order can be prepared. However, we cannot change an entire menu just to suit these people. -
I got virus in my computer (& made me couldn't use the internet)when I argued against homo in this forum.This is the kind of some homo behave.So they are damn right!Originally posted by MobyDog:Talking about this subject.. I was banned in an American Forum for being childish.. in just 3 post for disagreeing .. not exactly about Gay marriage but gays adopting a boy, Since Gay marriage is already legal there.
1) I quote that I disagreed that gay couple should be allowed to adopt a boy.
2) I quote that having a gay parents, being immediate peers, would influence the confused child, and chances is high that he will be a gay in the future.
3) I believe that a child can nurtured either way, and will be exposed to Necessarily.
For that, I got my mother cursed as a whore, then my mfather and brother cursed as a whore, labelled a troll, called an idiot and childish, and finally banned by the MOD. -
Yes, i too agree that those social norms are bullshit. When they restricted boys to their building blocks and girls to their cooking sets, they are just trying to shape the child up into society's expectations. Why is it that boys are not allowed to cry? Why girls are allowed to say and express their fustrations and emotions at that point of time? Isnt this the loophole of social ethnics which have shape us up all into one people with one thought? Allowing boys to cry does not make him less manly nor threaten his masculine status and vice versa for girls. The misconception has deepened into 'mordern' society now a days that homosexuals are being discriminate by fellow 'normal' human beings.Originally posted by Isis:Someone from a hetreosexual family aso can grow up to be gay wah.
Love is love. U can't control your heart when come to liking or falling in love with someone.Love in the highest form is formless, regarding u r old, ugly, fat, gay,bi, sexy. someone who love u accept who u r. what is wrong abt there?
What if my kids want to be gay? i could want them to be happy. If our society continue to be under developed in tolerance for homosexuality, gay or les have to continue to live their life in self-denial. I do not want my kids ( if they are to become gay ) to live their life fearing their own sexual nature and what they are. There are many people who are depressed over their sexual preferances which does not alight with society norms.
Personally, i feel society norms are bullcrap... if these norms stand on ur way in finding true happiness. Honestly, do u tink true happiness is easy to find?
For those who expressed disgusted over-i-don't-know-what.. pls rethink what these homo people have done to u..
It have been proven that being a homosexual can be due to their biological set up and the environment that they were brought up in.
Please refer to the website below for more information.
http://etd.rau.ac.za/theses/available/etd-09072005-083731/restricted/RESEARCHPROPOSAL2005.pdf -
since homosexuality does not result in population growth, the singapore government's stance will be: HELL NO YOU FAGS!
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Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
ok i get ur point.. it simply boils down to our social value of the majority. but i couldnt be surprised if these values and social norms will change along the years, hard to say though but one thing for sure discrimination will always exists.. hard to eradicate
not legalising homosexual marriages does [b]not equate to condeming them.
No one said homosexuals should be punished or be looked down on.
The thing is, legalising homsexual marriages will have an adverse effect on normal children and they might encounter problems with their sexuality which they would otherwise have been free of.
Like it or not, social norms do play an important role in the development of a child. there's a reason why boys play with cars and girls play with barbie dolls. It all boils down to the social norms.
it would be disastrous if children view homosexual marriages as acceptable and actually contemplate getting into one when they would have otherwise been hetreosexuals.
Homosexual acceptance is like a special order at mcdonalds. Society can change their mindset towards these homosexuals and occasionally the special order can be prepared. However, we cannot change an entire menu just to suit these people.
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Actually what is wrong with Homosexual marriages ? what is wrong being urself and being a homo? People fear homo becos they do not understand what it is like being a homo, same-sex love is wrong. Can tell me what is so abnormal abt following ur own heart...?
u find it wrong becos of UR own values????.. but does it mean that it should defer other homo people from finding happiness...
u must get married then can buy HDB flats with some discounts... the benefits of marriage here.. -
Actually how can u be darn sure that they are homo??Originally posted by PRP:I got virus in my computer (& made me couldn't use the internet)when I argued against homo in this forum.This is the kind of some homo behave.So they are damn right!
what if they are not homo le?
u r generalising here -
One does not need marriage to have happiness.Originally posted by Isis:u find it wrong becos of UR own values????.. but does it mean that it should defer other homo people from finding happiness...
u must get married then can buy HDB flats with some discounts... the benefits of marriage here..
Marriage is just a legal process which binds a couple together. If the homosexuals want to pursue their own happiness, sure go ahead.
If we legalise the marriage, what message are we trying to convey to the public? That they can choose to be hetreo or homo?
We should be firm on nature's stance, that is promoting hetreosexuality. Should a homosexual come into the picture, we would then allow him to carry on his homosexual lifestyle, provided he does not disrupt nature's balance.
By legsalising homosexual marriages, it is effectively giving people a choice on whether to be homo or hetreo. We must insist that everyone follows nature's stance, and only make exceptions for the homosexuals.
As for the HDB stuff, it is a totally independent discussion from legalising the marriages. I feel that the hdb rule is a dumb one and it should be avaliable to any 2 parties who want to live together. Afterall, dont we have many unmarried couples cohabitating together today?
Some couples might feel that they are unprepared for marriage, due to the many expectations from families to live up to as well as other responsibilities that come with marriage.
But that should not stop them from being able to live together, especially if they have made commitments to each other. -
mm im nt too sure about the nature's stance that is promote hetreosexuality...Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:One does not need marriage to have happiness.
Marriage is just a legal process which binds a couple together. If the homosexuals want to pursue their own happiness, sure go ahead.
If we legalise the marriage, what message are we trying to convey to the public? That they can choose to be hetreo or homo?
We should be firm on nature's stance, that is promoting hetreosexuality. Should a homosexual come into the picture, we would then allow him to carry on his homosexual lifestyle, provided he does not disrupt nature's balance.
By legsalising homosexual marriages, it is effectively giving people a choice on whether to be homo or hetreo. We must insist that everyone follows nature's stance, and only make exceptions for the homosexuals.
As for the HDB stuff, it is a totally independent discussion from legalising the marriages. I feel that the hdb rule is a dumb one and it should be avaliable to any 2 parties who want to live together. Afterall, dont we have many unmarried couples cohabitating together today?
Some couples might feel that they are unprepared for marriage, due to the many expectations from families to live up to as well as other responsibilities that come with marriage.
But that should not stop them from being able to live together, especially if they have made commitments to each other.
either am i going to argue about it here but i can say that there are some concrete researchs that show otherwise... -
i'm just going to say this: if a couple are in love and want to get married, who the hell are we to say that they cannot?
that being said, hey! isn't the PM married to another man?
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If getting married does not derive any happiness, than why do many couples bothered to get married in the first place?Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:One does not need marriage to have happiness.
Marriage is just a legal process which binds a couple together. If the homosexuals want to pursue their own happiness, sure go ahead.
If we legalise the marriage, what message are we trying to convey to the public? That they can choose to be hetreo or homo?
We should be firm on nature's stance, that is promoting hetreosexuality. Should a homosexual come into the picture, we would then allow him to carry on his homosexual lifestyle, provided he does not disrupt nature's balance.
By legsalising homosexual marriages, it is effectively giving people a choice on whether to be homo or hetreo. We must insist that everyone follows nature's stance, and only make exceptions for the homosexuals.
As for the HDB stuff, it is a totally independent discussion from legalising the marriages. I feel that the hdb rule is a dumb one and it should be avaliable to any 2 parties who want to live together. Afterall, dont we have many unmarried couples cohabitating together today?
Some couples might feel that they are unprepared for marriage, due to the many expectations from families to live up to as well as other responsibilities that come with marriage.
But that should not stop them from being able to live together, especially if they have made commitments to each other.
It has never been the issue of upseting nature's balance because by nature, those people are inclined towards their own sex. This can be found in my above reply which has a website attach. You can also type in homosexuality in any search bar and many articles about how homosexuality come about is due to hormonal and genetic problems is plenty. Hence, these people only followed the calling towards their nature and did not attemp to unbalance it.
Legalising same sex marriage does not have any negative message sent to the public. It is not up to the person to choose whether they want to be gay or lesbian, its in them, they cant choose. So by legalising same sex marriage, the government is just granting greater freedom and recognition to these people. It does not affect the heterosexuals as this has got nothing to do with them.
We should also educate our future generation on homosexuality that it is not wrong. And they should try to understand and change the negative attitude which many people nowadays have towards homosexuals. These discriminating attitude are the greatest barriers towards the freedom of these people. -
See what Dreamerb responsed in the next msg.Originally posted by MobyDog:Talking about this subject.. I was banned in an American Forum for being childish.. in just 3 post for disagreeing .. not exactly about Gay marriage but gays adopting a boy, Since Gay marriage is already legal there.
1) I quote that I disagreed that gay couple should be allowed to adopt a boy.
2) I quote that having a gay parents, being immediate peers, would influence the confused child, and chances is high that he will be a gay in the future.
3) I believe that a child can nurtured either way, and will be exposed to Necessarily.
For that, I got my mother cursed as a whore, then my mfather and brother cursed as a whore, labelled a troll, called an idiot and childish, and finally banned by the MOD. -
So some homo don't respect other to have freedom of speech.It doesn't seem that they are very confidence that their view is right.Originally posted by dreameryb:I think they did the right thing. -
Are u sure they are not homo?See how Mobydog got treated for arguing against homo.Originally posted by Isis:Actually how can u be darn sure that they are homo??
what if they are not homo le?
u r generalising here